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Old 11-12-2024 | 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck Rogers
Might it be realistic that if he(everybody) heeds your advise, then Crew scheduling's recourse it to simply put more people on SC because they can?

Be careful of "the law of unintended consequences".
They can’t put any more pilots on SC because they are already putting every single available pilot on SC. How about we all voluntarily sit SC as hot reserve at the airport to help out scheduling? Or maybe instead we hold the company to the PWA and don’t short-change ourselves and future pilots by voluntarily waiving contractual guidelines?
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Old 11-12-2024 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
Just checking to see if others are seeing a rise in short notice callouts while on SC? Over the past several months or so I have had 3 or 4 callouts with less than 2 hours to report … I understand it’s legal but just checking to see what others are experiencing.

Today, I have SC starting at 1400 and I noticed last night that I have a rotation assigned reporting at 1430. I haven’t been notified via phone yet, so I totally expect a call at 1400 today notifying that I need to report in 30 minutes. I’ll be there, on time of course but I feel like in a way I’m supporting this (perceived) new model of short notice callouts. Ugh.
STOP THE MADNESS!

There is NOTHING that says you have to report 30 minutes after your SC start just becuase scheds say so.

There is no defined timelimit for you to report....this is on purpose. It is generally assumed it will be in the 2'ish hour, but could be 3+ depending on traffic, road condiitons, etc.

Wait for scheduler to call you....they buy the late departure because they know you aren't required to be there in 30 minutes....if you are in the middle of a workout and it takes you and hour or two to shower, grab lunch, take a dump, get back into your uniform, and then get to gate, then so be it.
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Old 11-12-2024 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
Just checking to see if others are seeing a rise in short notice callouts while on SC? Over the past several months or so I have had 3 or 4 callouts with less than 2 hours to report … I understand it’s legal but just checking to see what others are experiencing.

Today, I have SC starting at 1400 and I noticed last night that I have a rotation assigned reporting at 1430. I haven’t been notified via phone yet, so I totally expect a call at 1400 today notifying that I need to report in 30 minutes. I’ll be there, on time of course but I feel like in a way I’m supporting this (perceived) new model of short notice callouts. Ugh.
I'd be in the vicinity at 1400 but I probably wouldn't be able to report for another 2ish hours. Maple trees don't tap themselves and the sap is sticky so I'll have to hike out, take a shower, and change before I drive to work. Just say'n.

Oh, and I'd ask for short term parking authorization.

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Old 11-12-2024 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
Just checking to see if others are seeing a rise in short notice callouts while on SC? Over the past several months or so I have had 3 or 4 callouts with less than 2 hours to report … I understand it’s legal but just checking to see what others are experiencing.

Today, I have SC starting at 1400 and I noticed last night that I have a rotation assigned reporting at 1430. I haven’t been notified via phone yet, so I totally expect a call at 1400 today notifying that I need to report in 30 minutes. I’ll be there, on time of course but I feel like in a way I’m supporting this (perceived) new model of short notice callouts. Ugh.
For the good if 17,500 pilots please be "on time" at 1600 ish.
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Old 11-12-2024 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
Today, I have SC starting at 1400 and I noticed last night that I have a rotation assigned reporting at 1430. I haven’t been notified via phone yet, so I totally expect a call at 1400 today notifying that I need to report in 30 minutes. I’ll be there, on time of course but I feel like in a way I’m supporting this (perceived) new model of short notice callouts. Ugh.
Username checks out.

All joking aside, you need to read the SRH regarding your responsibilities while on short call. I would also suggest not even checking iCrew after you've been assigned SC. Let them call you if they need you. If they need to keep the show running on time, they could opt to reroute someone else and keep you on short call for something with a more reasonable short time, or they could put that trip out as a short notice green slip.
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Old 11-12-2024 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
Just checking to see if others are seeing a rise in short notice callouts while on SC? Over the past several months or so I have had 3 or 4 callouts with less than 2 hours to report … I understand it’s legal but just checking to see what others are experiencing.

Today, I have SC starting at 1400 and I noticed last night that I have a rotation assigned reporting at 1430. I haven’t been notified via phone yet, so I totally expect a call at 1400 today notifying that I need to report in 30 minutes. I’ll be there, on time of course but I feel like in a way I’m supporting this (perceived) new model of short notice callouts. Ugh.
For the love of God please don’t report 30 minutes after your short call starts! If they needed you at 1430, then they should have had you on short call at noon. If they couldn’t put you on short call at noon, then they should have put someone else on short call at noon. If there wasn’t anyone else to put on short call at noon, then they should have paid someone contractually to be on voluntary airport standby or paid someone with a green slip. If they don’t want to do that, then they should hire/train/upgrade more pilots, or rein in Network to stop adding flying we can’t contractually support while affording the qol provisions we battled and negotiated hard to maintain or expand.

When you report around 1600, the flight will likely go out late. That’s what the company has decided to pay for. If they want it to go out on time, they have an abundance of ways to effect D0…but it’s not free. They can GS, IA, OBGS, WS, reroute - all will appropriately compensate a pilot or pilots willing to help them solve the undermanned situation the company has created. Your willingness to truncate your response time and spend time working for the company unpaid and on your off time does your union brethren an injustice. It can be hard to see that when one is new, and perhaps that’s your scenario.

If you have any friends in your category, try the following exercise. On an occasion when you feel pulled to go to the airport significantly earlier than your obligation, call your buddy and ask if they have a green slip in. Then explain that you’re going to acknowledge and cover the trip you’ve been awarded with airport standby response time, but without extra pay, and simultaneously reduce the likelihood of your buddy getting a call for that trip or any subsequently-disrupted trips because you saved the day.

We were all new once…thanks for listening and modifying behaviors as necessary to support your peers and yourself!
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Old 11-12-2024 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TALPAtalker
Username checks out.

All joking aside, you need to read the SRH regarding your responsibilities while on short call. I would also suggest not even checking iCrew after you've been assigned SC. Let them call you if they need you. If they need to keep the show running on time, they could opt to reroute someone else and keep you on short call for something with a more reasonable short time, or they could put that trip out as a short notice green slip.
I’ll be on time simply out of convenience to me, not the company. I had an appointment near the airport anyhow … and I’m aware of my responsibilities. Yesterday, I just wanted to confirm my SC start time so I took a peek at MiCrew and noticed the rotation assignment. This was probably around 1800. With the report time being > 18hours out, why wouldn’t they just call and notify me then (I was on an X-Day). That way they guarantee an on time report instead of giving me a short notice call out off of SC??
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Old 11-12-2024 | 08:08 AM
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SRH page 80 - for reference when scheduling calls at 1400

Occasionally SC flying assignments may report very shortly after the SC begins. As long as the report is at or after SC start it is a legal assignment. A SC pilot must be “promptly available,” which is an undefined term. If Crew Scheduling places a rotation on your schedule with limited time to report/pushback, you should provide your best guess as to your arrival time under normal driving conditions. With extremely short report/push back situations, the Company has made a business decision and understands you may not be able to report by the Company’s posted time. You are not expected to drive excessively fast, for example, simply to make the Company’s posted departure. Communication with Crew Scheduling is critical in situations such as these. Once you are in the cockpit, slow down and take your time.

A pilot who is converted to short-call will not be required to be available for contact during the first two hours of his short call period provided they inform Crew Scheduling at the time of notification from Scheduling. The pilot must then be able to report for a rotation no later than two hours after the start of their short-call period. During their period of unavailability, the pilot assumes responsibility for acknowledging any rotation placed on their line.
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Old 11-12-2024 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
I’ll be on time simply out of convenience to me, not the company. I had an appointment near the airport anyhow … and I’m aware of my responsibilities. Yesterday, I just wanted to confirm my SC start time so I took a peek at MiCrew and noticed the rotation assignment. This was probably around 1800. With the report time being > 18hours out, why wouldn’t they just call and notify me then (I was on an X-Day). That way they guarantee an on time report instead of giving me a short notice call out off of SC??
Because when the trip coverage report was run, you were showing as a SC pilot, not a LC pilot. You ended up with the rotation on the SC step of coverage since apparently there were no LC pilots legal for the assignment. This actually works to our favor since while you are not getting the 1:00 SCC pay for being unused, you are still completing 1 of your max SC obligations to the company for the bid period (normally 6 is max, but can be reduced due to days of unavailability like vacation, training, etc).
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Old 11-12-2024 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Snookered
I’ll be on time simply out of convenience to me, not the company. I had an appointment near the airport anyhow … and I’m aware of my responsibilities. Yesterday, I just wanted to confirm my SC start time so I took a peek at MiCrew and noticed the rotation assignment. This was probably around 1800. With the report time being > 18hours out, why wouldn’t they just call and notify me then (I was on an X-Day). That way they guarantee an on time report instead of giving me a short notice call out off of SC??

Glad your convenience for you saves the company coin and costs your peers income.

We don’t want calls on our X Day, even if you might. The system we have was designed with our pay and quality of life in mind. You’re free to do this job how you like. I just want you to be aware of the ways you’re hurting your brethren and indirectly yourself. With that knowledge, you do you…just don’t claim ignorance when other people watching potentially call out the unhelpful behavior.
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