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06-10-2024 | 06:49 PM
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A new wrinkle perhaps ….
How about a CNO that says “you have been assigned short call with 30 hours prior rest….” With short call start and end times.
CNO is sent during a contactable status (long call) and well prior to 2 hours before the start of the 30 hour.
my understanding is CNO is legit for assigning short call. But CNO ONLY is not legit for assigning rest…..
thoughts?
How about a CNO that says “you have been assigned short call with 30 hours prior rest….” With short call start and end times.
CNO is sent during a contactable status (long call) and well prior to 2 hours before the start of the 30 hour.
my understanding is CNO is legit for assigning short call. But CNO ONLY is not legit for assigning rest…..
thoughts?
If the pilot is in a contactable status (i.e., Long Call or Short Call), a voicemail from a crew scheduler for a flying assignment or rest period is considered attempted contact.
Also, I need to correct something I wrote earlier, if you use the “2 hour after first attempted contact” provision, you have to let CS know within 9 hours of that contact that you are unable to start rest as scheduled.
06-11-2024 | 04:24 AM
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From Scheduling Alert 24-03:
I don't think CNO counts, only a 'live' CS voicemail. Regardless, rest cannot start until 2 hours after that CNO call IAW 23.S.5.f.2.b
Also, I need to correct something I wrote earlier, if you use the “2 hour after first attempted contact” provision, you have to let CS know within 9 hours of that contact that you are unable to start rest as scheduled.
I don't think CNO counts, only a 'live' CS voicemail. Regardless, rest cannot start until 2 hours after that CNO call IAW 23.S.5.f.2.b
Also, I need to correct something I wrote earlier, if you use the “2 hour after first attempted contact” provision, you have to let CS know within 9 hours of that contact that you are unable to start rest as scheduled.
06-11-2024 | 06:17 AM
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Practically it does because the CNO goes out prior to release from a trip and as a reserve you are required to make a schedule check upon release. At least this has been my experience.
06-11-2024 | 06:49 AM
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06-11-2024 | 08:09 AM
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Perhaps try the STS inquiry (formerly ACE inquiry) for an official answer?
06-11-2024 | 08:12 AM
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My understanding is while on call long CNO is an offical contact and requires a call back to scheduling. They would then tell you about the rest. Maybe I'm wrong so sorry it's not helpful. 24-03 referrs to short call, not rest. Text CNO is different from the CNO call and computer voicemail.
23.S.5.f.2)b)
23.S.5.f.2)b)
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06-11-2024 | 08:44 AM
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“A long call pilot … who is assigned a rest period … via telephone contact may ….”
if contacted directly by crew scheduling go straight in rest
or
if not contacted directly by crew scheduling start 2 hours later.
the “telephone contact” part still applies to both branches of the decision tree. does CNO count as telephone telephone contact now? Didn’t think that had changed.
if contacted directly by crew scheduling go straight in rest
or
if not contacted directly by crew scheduling start 2 hours later.
the “telephone contact” part still applies to both branches of the decision tree. does CNO count as telephone telephone contact now? Didn’t think that had changed.
06-11-2024 | 10:49 AM
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“A long call pilot … who is assigned a rest period … via telephone contact may ….”
if contacted directly by crew scheduling go straight in rest
or
if not contacted directly by crew scheduling start 2 hours later.
the “telephone contact” part still applies to both branches of the decision tree. does CNO count as telephone telephone contact now? Didn’t think that had changed.
if contacted directly by crew scheduling go straight in rest
or
if not contacted directly by crew scheduling start 2 hours later.
the “telephone contact” part still applies to both branches of the decision tree. does CNO count as telephone telephone contact now? Didn’t think that had changed.
06-11-2024 | 12:35 PM
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06-11-2024 | 12:52 PM
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Will report back with results later tonight
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