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07-17-2022 | 04:30 PM
#591
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Hard 2 hour would also require them to assign a SC airport. I can be sitting on the lounge at JFK or LGA and EWR is going to be over two hours in most circumstances.
JFK to LGA can be pushing two hours to gate depending on the time of day and gates.
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JFK to LGA can be pushing two hours to gate depending on the time of day and gates.
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07-17-2022 | 06:36 PM
#592
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Sure there's a downside. If we had a hard 2 hour requirement (that BOTH sides would have to adhere to) the 45 minute callout would be a thing of the past and the SC pilot in question...or any other SC pilot...wouldn't even be called to begin with...OR the company would be compelled to post a departure time at least two hours later in order to legally assign the trip to this pilot. As it is, as far as I'm concerned every time they call a SC pilot for a trip reporting less than two hours out, they're getting a SC pilot for "free". That's not necessarily good either.
That said, I am NOT advocating for a hard two hour SC response time, or any other specific time, for all the reasons we know. Any slight benefit would be greatly overshadowed by the drawbacks.
That said, I am NOT advocating for a hard two hour SC response time, or any other specific time, for all the reasons we know. Any slight benefit would be greatly overshadowed by the drawbacks.
if they call here with a :45 callout and it takes me 2 hours it’s no sweat off my back just like my last job, but if it takes 2:05, it would have been an issue where as now that would still be considered promptly available.
We should definitely keep our language unless we get something better in exchange for a hard callout time.
07-17-2022 | 06:41 PM
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Hard 2 hour would also require them to assign a SC airport. I can be sitting on the lounge at JFK or LGA and EWR is going to be over two hours in most circumstances.
JFK to LGA can be pushing two hours to gate depending on the time of day and gates.
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JFK to LGA can be pushing two hours to gate depending on the time of day and gates.
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1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
07-17-2022 | 08:01 PM
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if we get a fixed callout time in NY, it should go one of the following ways
1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
07-17-2022 | 10:15 PM
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if we get a fixed callout time in NY, it should go one of the following ways
1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
07-18-2022 | 03:27 AM
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While I see where you are coming from, I do not think this particular instance of seniority abrogation would be a bad thing. Having more people called out to their preferred airport seems like enough of a win to offset the difference of the possibility of the senior of 2 reserves being used for a trip
bidding vacation in rounds and our GS structure abrogates seniority too, but I still think that is the best way to do it.
bidding vacation in rounds and our GS structure abrogates seniority too, but I still think that is the best way to do it.
07-18-2022 | 03:30 AM
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I don’t disagree, the post I was responding to was asking how a fixed callout would work in NY. So I gave an example of an airline that has a fixed callout and how they handle it. My second point was to say if we are assigned to one airport like Cxt500 mentioned; it should be the pilot, not CS, that gets to pick your preferred airport when placed on SC. The second of which I don’t think would be a bad idea…but understand the hesitation some may have.
also my post had a typo where I said “should”, I meant “could”. I know it’s a small difference but I was just meant it as a how it could go, not how it needs to go.
also my post had a typo where I said “should”, I meant “could”. I know it’s a small difference but I was just meant it as a how it could go, not how it needs to go.
07-18-2022 | 05:01 AM
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While I see where you are coming from, I do not think this particular instance of seniority abrogation would be a bad thing. Having more people called out to their preferred airport seems like enough of a win to offset the difference of the possibility of the senior of 2 reserves being used for a trip
bidding vacation in rounds and our GS structure abrogates seniority too, but I still think that is the best way to do it.
bidding vacation in rounds and our GS structure abrogates seniority too, but I still think that is the best way to do it.
07-18-2022 | 07:20 AM
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if we get a fixed callout time in NY, it should go one of the following ways
1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
1) like JetBlue we have a callout time for each airport (jfk is 2.5 hours, LGA is, I think, 2:45) and EWR is a separate base.
Or
2) when placed on SC the pilot gets to pick which airport the callout time applies to and the other 2 are not held to that time.
on that note, I don’t see why now under our current contract we could not implement #2. This way CS can pick the pilot who would be most readily available.
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