But they had WMDs!!

Just like Iran this time, we swear, wink wink

 

props to the recent Posters who got this thread back on track.

The market response both yesterday and today basically suggest to me (imo only) that the conflict is cooling. The strait is still risky to navigate. And Yes there will likely be more sensational drone or missile strikes and I’d expect LOTS of subsequent images and pearl-clutching commentary, but those are secondary weapons to try and shape minds rather than to dictate the options of great powers. As one who lived through the effects of the years of threats and chants and occasional military strikes I’m willing to wait another 2-3 weeks to see how the administration completes its plan. Have there been errors? Sure, welcome to conflict where the enemy gets a vote. But the overall losses are MUCH LESS than I think we’d see if we keep waiting and hoping for the best rather than taking action and influencing the situation.

 

This thread tumbled.

It's not complicated to figure out. This administration has a history of making wild decisions without considering the ramifications of said decisions. Simply put, they decided to attack thinking this would be a win for them, help their alliance with Israel, mask it under disguise that they are "helping" the people of Iran from a brutal dictator.

Now they are stuck in a situation where they can't back out without looking weak, a more brutal leadership might take over, their supporters and most American citizens don't support this operation, Europe has even less reason to work with us, price of oil reaching all time highs, our military contractors can't produce nearly enough arsenal to keep up with this sudden demand for weaponry because of this poor deployment. All of this was preventable. They didn't have to attack. But emotions drove this admin into this situation and therefore all of us with them.

 

Giving Iran pallets of cash, billions in cash, and a path to a nuke hasn’t panned out so great. They were still funding Hamas, Hizballah, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Al-Shabaab, Islamaic Jihad, and killing Americans whenever they can get away with it. Maybe Obama could have ponied up a little more cash then the Mideast would be at peace.

Marco Rubio’s speech in opposition to Obama’s policies is worth watching.

 

In your opinion, how many humans were involved in the “wild” decision to push the button that launched a missile or a bomb on the first Iranian target?

 

Too many and not enough saying "well hold on". Even a US Intelligence Officer (who was appointed by Trump) resigned. This operation is not going anywhere near close to well and it shows.

 

As opposed to the expertly managed withdrawal from Afghanistan?

Wars are chaos. If ‘orderly’ is your thing, avoid them. They make putting your 401k in penny stocks look like a sure thing.

 

This operation started 18 days ago.

Get a grip.

 

Do you understand what the "pallets of cash" were about?

 

With all due respect Fangs, your use of the word "scary" is frankly scary.

I by all means understand that every administration distorts the truth. That is simply human nature, call it propaganda, manipulation or whatever. Thay all do it.

There is no such thing as an unbiased news source. Unintentional but mostly intentional, everything has a slant and I think most of us understand that. To counter that, my news sources include moderate, ultra conservative, ultra liberal as well as international news agencies. I want to see the facts and alternate facts from various perspectives. That said, I absolutely detest the talking heads that try and tell me how to think. That goes for all of them....Maddow, Cooper, Bannon, Carlson, Rogan to name a few. Their words and perspectives are utterly worthless, in my opinion. I want simple facts or alternate facts and I'll decide how to interpret those.

Freedom of the press is the only way guarantee accountably. It's imperative to understand which information the administration releases is accurate, semi-accurate or complete BS. We can't do that without the press. Regardless of your opinion of a particular administration, criticism is an absolute necessity. Scary would be anything but that.