Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-15-2014 | 03:44 PM
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01-15-2014 | 04:17 PM
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Hypothetical situation:
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on making the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and then fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on making the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and then fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
01-15-2014 | 04:17 PM
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From: SLC ERB
The FAA has already published clarification - I posted a copy of it a few pages back. They say that your 10 hours of rest must provide an opportunity to get 8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP - weather or not you actually need that much is up to you, but the opportunity must still be there. As others have said, it's essentially impossible to get 8 hours of sleep when you only have 8 hours behind the door. So, if circumstances resulted in you only having 8 hours behind the door (rooms not ready, transportation issues, etc.) and you accepted it, you are essentially in violation of the FAR since there is literally no way that you had an opportunity for 8 hours of uninterrupted SLEEP.
01-15-2014 | 04:22 PM
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From: SLC ERB
Hypothetical situation:
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on keeping the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on keeping the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
01-15-2014 | 04:24 PM
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From: 7ERB
^^^^^ As a professional Delta pilot, I strive to be the brand and embrace our customers. When I am forced (by the company) to haul ass down the jetway with a bag of unhealthy easy-to-come-by food product, it's embarrassing and I'm sure not what we want to be purveying to our customers. What's even worse, IMHO, is walking off the jet and see a fellow pilot scarfing a Big Mac at the gate in front of his soon-to-be passengers. That cannot instill a lot of warm fuzzies with the pax.
Certainly, if we're concerned about flight safety and projecting a professional image, the company can agree to a couple of crew meals (what, maybe $10 for two pilots?) and an additional five or ten minute turn time?
Certainly, if we're concerned about flight safety and projecting a professional image, the company can agree to a couple of crew meals (what, maybe $10 for two pilots?) and an additional five or ten minute turn time?
Im on a roll now. Talk about professionalism, pride and dignity. The company really does not care. Next time you are on 1st, 2nd or 3rd break, enjoy the walk of shame to your rest facility which is conveniently located in the middle of First Class: real eye opener
. First Off, the passengers stare you down. Second of all, creating your nest is a goat rope. Trying to snap-up the curtains and getting yourself into place, while the cabin is dim could be very challenging. The whole process is embarrassing and cheapens the First Class experience for our High Value Customers.
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01-15-2014 | 04:24 PM
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From: Capt
Hypothetical situation:
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on making the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and then fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on making the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and then fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
01-15-2014 | 04:29 PM
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01-15-2014 | 04:32 PM
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I don't see what the big deal on this is. With a minimum 10 hour layover we should normally get 8 1/2 to 9 hours at the Hotel. If you get delayed - call crew tracking and have the time adjusted.
As long as the FAA sees 8 hours behind the door as legal we are good to go. If you need more time - take it! It would be nice if ALPA pushed the 8 hour issue, but I guess they are satisfied with 8 hours behind the door which by the way, we should abbreviate to 8 HBTD..
Perhaps we should push for a clarification of the 8 hour by the FAA if there is some doubt about it. Seems DALPA thinks the FAA is good with it.
We have two separate issues here:
1. Compliance with the regulations FARs, FOM etc. Well if DAL and the FAA are both satisfied with 8 HBTD then thats fine with me.
2. Showing up for a flight well rested. If 8 hours ain't enough - take more time. Call crew tracking and have your time adjusted.
I certainly hope the guys who are not satisfied with 8 hours take the time they need. I personally am fine with 8 hours as I normally sleep about 7 hours but everyone is different.
And for crying out loud - if you have a minimum time layover forget about ironing the shirt!
Scoop
As long as the FAA sees 8 hours behind the door as legal we are good to go. If you need more time - take it! It would be nice if ALPA pushed the 8 hour issue, but I guess they are satisfied with 8 hours behind the door which by the way, we should abbreviate to 8 HBTD.
.Perhaps we should push for a clarification of the 8 hour by the FAA if there is some doubt about it. Seems DALPA thinks the FAA is good with it.
We have two separate issues here:
1. Compliance with the regulations FARs, FOM etc. Well if DAL and the FAA are both satisfied with 8 HBTD then thats fine with me.
2. Showing up for a flight well rested. If 8 hours ain't enough - take more time. Call crew tracking and have your time adjusted.
I certainly hope the guys who are not satisfied with 8 hours take the time they need. I personally am fine with 8 hours as I normally sleep about 7 hours but everyone is different.
And for crying out loud - if you have a minimum time layover forget about ironing the shirt!
Scoop
ALPA is screwing this up big time and setting somebody up for an FAR violation. That's why it's a big deal.
You are correct on one thing, though. The 10 hour minimum layover should easily provide 9+ hours behind the door under normal circumstances. Of course, we all know that circumstances are not always normal. That's when the 8 hour thing will become an issue.
But feel free to violate away. And good luck with the "ALPA told me to do it" defense. Me personally... I'm going to comply with the FAR.
01-15-2014 | 04:35 PM
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Hypothetical situation:
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on making the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and then fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
I'm flying with Capt Longsleeves and we get to the hotel 8 hours and 10 minutes prior to scheduled pickup.
Being the law-abiding citizen I am, I insist on 9 hours behind the door to SSSS&Shampoo.
The stalwart captain insists on making the scheduled van to "keep the operation running."
I guess I'd call and work my own deal with crew tracking, and then fill out an ASAP/call pro stan the next day. Thoughts?
01-15-2014 | 05:06 PM
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From: 7ER Costar
1. How exactly does their data (pro diem or flightline) get utilized on a tax return? My assumption is that we are not adequately reimbursed for on-the-job expenses.
2. Is there other accounting/record keeping that needs to be done on my part to show actual expenses vs. reimbursement?
Public or PM answers would be appreciated.
Greatly appreciated,
FTS
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