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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
(Post 1663005)
Uhhhhh................can't think of what to say.................must distract with picture of babe.........oops.............first picture to big.............
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/73...7391c2e154.jpg Ahhhhhhhhh...................just right!:) Denny |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1663090)
Ok, go before the NMB. When the company puts out block our numbers tell the NMB that we don't need to address that. If you read my post I clearly pointed out the fleet plan was a part of our being less efficient. To not study and understand its impact before entering contract negotiations would be stupid.
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Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1663110)
By what metric do you assess that? Specific numbers, please.
The vacation changes alone were worth 500 Captains positions. That is huge. Captains used to get up to 7 weeks of vacation and the first two weeks could generate a entire month off each. Elimination of the hard cap was huge. Getting rid of bow wave was huge. If tomorrow we changed to getting paid a max of ALV only with flying above that carried into bow wave the company would need close to a 1000 pilots overnight. Vacation, PBS, bow wave and loss of the bow wave as a whole are over 20% of the lost jobs. The remaining 4 or 5 percent is buried in tens of smaller changes. |
WRT us being 'one of the least efficient' airlines, this is an oversimplification of one aspect of running disparate fleet types. At one end of this spectrum you have an airline like SWA, running one aircraft type, keeping it in the air as much as possible, along with the crews. At the other end, you've got us, running 15 types through hubs, our pilots often sitting for hours waiting for a flight.
On the face of it, from a pure hours operating standpoint, we are less 'efficient'. But when you factor in hub revenue dynamics, right sized hulls at the right times, code share multipliers, and the increased revenue from HVC initiatives and upsales (business class and econo comfort) --- we produce more, much more... revenue than our contemporaries on a per-pilot basis. That's one reason. Another is this: we run a safe, reliable operation, all over the world, 24\7\365. What our pay says about us is important----that we're worth it! |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1663120)
I was told that by a knowledgeable person working in contract admin. PBS alone produces zero decreases in staffing. How it is programmed is what reduces jobs for the company. You could program PBS to mimic the old line system in awards and have no gains.
The vacation changes alone were worth 500 Captains positions. That is huge. Captains used to get up to 7 weeks of vacation and the first two weeks could generate a entire month off each. Elimination of the hard cap was huge. Getting rid of bow wave was huge. If tomorrow we changed to getting paid a max of ALV only with flying above that carried into bow wave the company would need close to a 1000 pilots overnight. Vacation, PBS, bow wave and loss of the bow wave as a whole are over 20% of the lost jobs. The remaining 4 or 5 percent is buried in tens of smaller changes. Sailing, I like your posts. You deliver your point of view with a Joe Friday delivery. I would imagine that you are very straight forward in your approach to life. Some here take it as condescending, but I believe it is just a reflection of personality and conviction. I actually prefer it to the chest thumping hype that also permeates this board, but... let me offer this. The really good posters balance their message with expertise, insight, affability, humor, and a willingness to exchange ideas. I'm thinking NewKnow, Bar, Buzzpat, Denny, et al. Perhaps you could include a joke or throw DPA a small compliment. You don't have to mean it. Or you could just get crazy and post dirty pics. At least Timbo would approve. |
Originally Posted by CheapTrick
(Post 1663132)
That seems like a reasonable summary of the PBS/Contract efficiency that we gave DAL. Metrics as it were.
Sailing, I like your posts. You deliver your point of view with a Joe Friday delivery. I would imagine that you are very straight forward in your approach to life. Some here take it as condescending, but I believe it is just a reflection of personality and conviction. I actually prefer it to the chest thumping hype that also permeates this board, but... let me offer this. The really good posters balance their message with expertise, insight, affability, humor, and a willingness to exchange ideas. I'm thinking NewKnow, Bar, Buzzpat, Denny, et al. Perhaps you could include a joke or throw DPA a small compliment. You don't have to mean it. Or you could just get crazy and post dirty pics. At least Timbo would approve. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1663120)
I was told that by a knowledgeable person working in contract admin. PBS alone produces zero decreases in staffing. How it is programmed is what reduces jobs for the company. You could program PBS to mimic the old line system in awards and have no gains.
The vacation changes alone were worth 500 Captains positions. That is huge. Captains used to get up to 7 weeks of vacation and the first two weeks could generate a entire month off each. Elimination of the hard cap was huge. Getting rid of bow wave was huge. If tomorrow we changed to getting paid a max of ALV only with flying above that carried into bow wave the company would need close to a 1000 pilots overnight. Vacation, PBS, bow wave and loss of the bow wave as a whole are over 20% of the lost jobs. The remaining 4 or 5 percent is buried in tens of smaller changes. Sailing, You are correct. However I know that you understand that we went to PBS in the first place with the understanding that it would be implemented along with elimination of bow wave, trip conflicts, and the like. In fact it wasn't so much the company told us "we need PBS" as it was "we can no longer afford trips touching, carryover conflicts, etc" and it was determined that PBS was the best avenue to deal with that going forward. In fact I can't think of a single airline that went from LOT bidding to PBS, but still kept all the old LOT provisions that resulted in so much trip conflicts and pilots getting paid for not working. What would be the point in the first place? That would be like trading in your old gas guzzler truck for a much smaller car, but then going out of your way to find a gas guzzling small sedan--the entire purpose is defeated in the first place. |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1663120)
I was told that by a knowledgeable person working in contract admin. PBS alone produces zero decreases in staffing. How it is programmed is what reduces jobs for the company. You could program PBS to mimic the old line system in awards and have no gains.
The vacation changes alone were worth 500 Captains positions. That is huge. Captains used to get up to 7 weeks of vacation and the first two weeks could generate a entire month off each. Elimination of the hard cap was huge. Getting rid of bow wave was huge. If tomorrow we changed to getting paid a max of ALV only with flying above that carried into bow wave the company would need close to a 1000 pilots overnight. Vacation, PBS, bow wave and loss of the bow wave as a whole are over 20% of the lost jobs. The remaining 4 or 5 percent is buried in tens of smaller changes. |
Originally Posted by CheapTrick
(Post 1663132)
That seems like a reasonable summary of the PBS/Contract efficiency that we gave DAL. Metrics as it were.
Sailing, I like your posts. You deliver your point of view with a Joe Friday delivery. I would imagine that you are very straight forward in your approach to life. Some here take it as condescending, but I believe it is just a reflection of personality and conviction. I actually prefer it to the chest thumping hype that also permeates this board, but... let me offer this. The really good posters balance their message with expertise, insight, affability, humor, and a willingness to exchange ideas. I'm thinking NewKnow, Bar, Buzzpat, Denny, et al. Perhaps you could include a joke or throw DPA a small compliment. You don't have to mean it. Or you could just get crazy and post dirty pics. At least Timbo would approve. Original post.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1663120)
I was told that by a knowledgeable person working in contract admin. PBS alone produces zero decreases in staffing. How it is programmed is what reduces jobs for the company. You could program PBS to mimic the old line system in awards and have no gains.
The vacation changes alone were worth 500 Captains positions. That is huge. Captains used to get up to 7 weeks of vacation and the first two weeks could generate a entire month off each. Elimination of the hard cap was huge. Getting rid of bow wave was huge. If tomorrow we changed to getting paid a max of ALV only with flying above that carried into bow wave the company would need close to a 1000 pilots overnight. Vacation, PBS, bow wave and loss of the bow wave as a whole are over 20% of the lost jobs. The remaining 4 or 5 percent is buried in tens of smaller changes.
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1663120)
Well, I know what you're getting at but PBS isn't the enemy per se, it's how it's programed that is the problem. You could program PBS to mimic the old line system and we could drop trips again for vacation.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3673/95647123.gif The vacation changes alone were worth 500 Captains positions and that is huge because Captains used to get up to 7 weeks of vacation and the first two weeks could generate a entire month off each and the elimination of the hard cap was huge as was getting rid of the bow wave was huge so we kissed a lot of things goodbye. http://www.fashionpeach.com/im/003/0...e-goodbye1.gif If tomorrow we changed to getting paid a max of ALV only with flying above that carried into bow wave the company would need close to a 1000 pilots overnight. I mean that would be like walking into the bathroom and finding Hermonie asking why I haven't gotten in the tub yet. http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6843/38450920.gif Vacation, PBS, bow wave and loss of the bow wave as a whole are over 20% of the lost jobs. It totally sucks. Add on another 4 or 5 percent is buried in tens of smaller changes. Sucks. |
Outstanding mashup of posting styles! Creativity & message wrapped in a format that is both pleasurable and distracting at the same time. Plus, it will drive a grammar Nazi insane. A Masterwork.
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