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I don't get all the "rest" comparisons with truck drivers. In fact, it's a counterproductive analogy. LOTS more lives involved every time we get into the seat. Many more dimensions and complicating environmental factors. We accept far more risk and responsibility every single leg.

Apples to bananas.

And truckers kill far more people every day than we do in a year.

All in all though buzz, I agree with you

DeadHead

10-07-2014 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1741450)

Well now you are just jumping to conclusions. Paranoid much? I'm just saying that a truck driver has equal responsibility and rest to him is equally important. If you disagree and need to make yourself feel better about yourself than go right ahead. Explain why your rest is more important than a truck driver who can kill a bus load of kids for crossing the centerline while hand driving hours and hours.

Because a truck drivers can pull their tricks over and stop driving once they hit a point of extreme fatigue where safety is an issue. We are not afforded that option as airline pilots.

Rogue24

10-07-2014 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1741391)

Reading an article today about Delta that said the pilots were the only employees to lose their pensions in Chapter 11 and that is why our pension debt is so high compared to our peers.

Is that true?

If so, shouldn't DALPA be educating the pilots about this and sharing the number of our total pilot concessions? Over $15 billion and climbing?

Half of the pilots had their pensions frozen, the other half had it terminated.

Of those that still have a frozen pension, DAL is aggressively forward funding their obligations. (But you already know this)

Purple Drank

10-07-2014 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1741445)

and the pilot can take a snooze while in the seat, the trucker can not. Get it?

Why are you obsessing about truck drivers? It's counterproductive. Maybe join truckdriverscentral.com?

Let's focus on getting more money and more time off for us.

Purple Drank

10-07-2014 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 1741475)

Okay 1067, I'm going to try this one more time. You're missing the point.

We.Are.Not.Truck.Drivers.

My thoughts exactly.

formerdal

10-07-2014 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Delta1067 (Post 1741464)

You are totally missing the point. I don't need need to ask the 717,88,320 and 737 guys how much sleep they get. I know we all get at least 10 hours behind the door.

We do NOT get 10 hours behind the door.

Alan Shore

10-07-2014 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1741524)

Why are you obsessing about truck drivers? Let's focus on getting more money and more time off for us.

Agreed, and I apologize for my role in propagating this topic. RockyBoy had stated that truck drivers have stricter duty time rules than we do, and in my anal-retentive nature, I just had to look it up and post that he was wrong in most cases. PD, you responded that you were embarrassed that there is an example of a truck driver being a bit more limited than we are.

Can we all agree that we're not truck drivers and move on?

Alan Shore

10-07-2014 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1741382)

I know. I opened up the can of worms and Alan decided to somehow pitch a fit that I said our rest rules sucked.

Nice characterization. You said that our duty limits were worse than those of truck drivers. I looked them up and posted them, showing that what you said wasn't quite true.

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1741382)

My point was that just because we are "legal" doesn't mean we should start a duty period. A truck driver did that and went to prison for 5 years. So if we get CDO's, even if they are legal, and we head back home the next morning fatigued....you could lose a lot more than your job. That was my point, not that we should compare ourselves to truckers.

And I fully agree with your point.

Alan Shore

10-07-2014 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1740964)

I think Rocky's original point is that our rest rules under 117 and the LOA are totally inadequate.

Alan is attempting to obfuscate that inadequacy by quibbling.

I was neither disagreeing nor agreeing with, nor attempting to obfuscate (whatever that means:o), anything. Just trying to keep a discussion factually based.

When there is an issue about which we truly have cause for concern, it does not help that cause to exaggerate the issue by making factual misstatements.

jethikoki

10-07-2014 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1741536)

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