I think we are all going through the 5 phases of the death of this once in a lifetime opportuntiy.

Certainly denial and anger.

We have been played again from the start by the same players, but we can save this opportuntiy.

We can recall all the yes voting reps and vote No on MEMRAT.

There are the same scumbags making the same threats as last time. We must ignore them and hold out for the deal we deserve.

No one contributed more to the success Delta enjoys today.

Our billions In life changing concessions.

Our skills.

Our experience.

Our leadership.

All their threats are empty. Management cannot and will not go to war with us. Not now, not ever.

THEY ARE BLUFFING

Yeah, their current contracts lead the industry in nearly every section and our contract leads in not a single one. Their methods sure suck alright.

Carl

Shiznit-
I don't know what's in this TA and therefore can't tell you if I'm for it or against it. But I do know one thing. The argument you make in that post really irritates me.

I'm mighty tired of my union being 100% passive, compliant and scared.
Scared of Anderson, scared of the NMB and scared of their own shadow.
And what's worse is using that fear as a weapon to control the membership.
We are not SWA or FDX or AMR.

There are plenty of things we can legally do to exert pressure on management to bargain in good faith. They seem to place great value on their success at taking labor risk off the table at Delta. The first thing we could do is start acting like a real union and put that risk right back on the table. FAST. And in a BIG WAY.

If this TA were to be rejected and Mr. Anderson stops bargaining in good faith and says he's going to go the "traditional route" (putting us "on ice" for years) the first thing we should announce is that we are putting him on ice and making it the #1 goal of ALPA to organize and unionize the flight attendants and mechanics and every other labor group on this property.

ALPA has had an official policy of letting the other employee groups twist in the wind while incompetent organization drives sputtered and stalled and failed. That policy of helping management defeat the other unions would end immediately. And you know what? I think we would succeed. We could have about 3 more unions at this company within a year. I think that might get management's attention.

And that would only be the first thing I would do. There's about 8 more.

So please knock it off with the "fear factor" posts -- telling pilots that if we don't capitulate to management's every wish then we will have to wait years to get a new contract. Its not true. We are NOT helpless. We CAN say no to management demands without getting put on ice.

I know ALPA doesn't want to abandon Moakism and the whole constructive relationship with management. Its been good for ALPA. It saves them a lot of money. But there comes a point when the pilots might have to stand up and defend ourselves. Whether ALPA likes it or not. We may have reached that point. We'll see on Tuesday.

Outstanding post.

Carl

Looking to buy a used 26" Luggage Works/PNT rollerboard.

Doesn't have to be in great shape, but would like things to work.

PM if you are looking to get rid of one.

Thx.

Sure. Get angry, I hope it makes you feel better. UAL and AAL pilots have been "angry" for a long time and they've pretty much proven that the C-suite or shareholders GAS. Labor risk will not be on the table in any meaningful way, and it'd be illegal without help from the NMB.

Got any good examples of the modern NMB allowing "labor risk"?

What did they do to get that ability?
How long did it take?
Was their company offering a positive or negative agreement?
Was that company profitable at the time?

I'm all for another "strategy", but I want to see a version that has shown the ability to increase a pay table by nearly 50% in the last 9 years (plus many other significant increases in contract value).

Who knows how much more we might get with this TA, we will see on Tuesday. In the meantime:

STOP THE FREAK OUT

Fantastic!

To add to that: I would gladly pay an assessment to help the other employee groups organize if that will exert pressure on RA's "labor risk" complacency.

CRACK!


Home run

And that my fellow pilots is how we take labor peace off the table.

There you go again.
I just don't buy the ALPA argument that we are no longer allowed to introduce any labor risk into management's equation.

The NMB is irrelevant. They have taken themselves out of the game.
They've used the Railway Labor Act to essentially make airlines into public utilities where the workers are never allowed to strike.

We just need to live with that and figure out other ways to operate. It can be done.

If Richard believes half of what he says about the important role pilots play in customer satisfaction, it won't take illegal action to quickly erode the premium Delta can charge at the moment. Stock price would quickly follow. NMB isn't going to monitor when the captain starts his engines, how much effort he puts into an efficient descent profile, how many pizza parties he orchestrates during IROPs, his comments and attention to Diamond Medallions, the frequency and quality of passenger updates during delays, nor the degree to which he panders to the FAs so they, in turn, treat passengers that much better. The list obviously goes on longer. Winning JD Power won't be possible without supportive employees on the flight deck. Richard knows the value of a constructive relationship with our union among so many other non-unionized employees. If this TA stinks and it actually gets kicked back (before or after a MEMRAT attempt), I suspect they'll come to Jesus in a hurry to keep the wheels from shaking off the bus.