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tennisguru 10-25-2018 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2697476)
The only speculative scenario that I can come up hinges on the following question: Under the previous 12 hour SC provision, would the company ever assign a shortened short call to a reserve pilot on his last day of availability that is followed by a golden X-day? The golden x-day requires a release at 12pm on that last day. For example, did the company ever assign a pilot in this situation to a less than 12 hour long SC on their last day prior to a golden x-day?

If not, they can now do so as a 9-hour SC window equates perfectly with a 3am-12pm SC in that scenario.

Yes, I have been assigned SC from 6am-noon on the last day of my reserve block before a golden x day.

And to do that they actually cut short my SC the day before to give me 10 hours rest before 6am.

captkdobbs 10-25-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 2697510)
Yes, I have been assigned SC from 6am-noon on the last day of my reserve block before a golden x day.

And to do that they actually cut short my SC the day before to give me 10 hours rest before 6am.

The earliest they can assign SC on day 1 is 10am (with the caveat that you can notify them that you're not contactable during the first 2 hours). If they assign that 10-12 SC on day one, they used to have to modify your 12hr window if they wanted to use you earlier on day 2++.

New scenario: 10am SC assigned day 1 (with the 2hr deal), on the hook till 7pm. With no modification they have now made you available at 7am day 2 which (on some fleets) makes you more 'usable'. Then they can shift you all the way to the earliest slot on day 3++.

I think it just saves the step that they're already doing to get you earlier on subsequent days.

I predict (for those of us junior on RES) that SC will move in a fairly predictable shift, earlier each subsequent day. Only tool we have to defend against this (for those senior enough for it to work) is to YS "if needed for SC, time XX:xx to XX:xx".

Baradium 10-25-2018 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by Gspeed (Post 2697476)
The only speculative scenario that I can come up hinges on the following question: Under the previous 12 hour SC provision, would the company ever assign a shortened short call to a reserve pilot on his last day of availability that is followed by a golden X-day? The golden x-day requires a release at 12pm on that last day. For example, did the company ever assign a pilot in this situation to a less than 12 hour long SC on their last day prior to a golden x-day?

If not, they can now do so as a 9-hour SC window equates perfectly with a 3am-12pm SC in that scenario.

First answer, yes they did. And if they had a trip for you the next day they'd just call and release you into rest.


Originally Posted by captkdobbs (Post 2697527)
The earliest they can assign SC on day 1 is 10am (with the caveat that you can notify them that you're not contactable during the first 2 hours). If they assign that 10-12 SC on day one, they used to have to modify your 12hr window if they wanted to use you earlier on day 2++.

New scenario: 10am SC assigned day 1 (with the 2hr deal), on the hook till 7pm. With no modification they have now made you available at 7am day 2 which (on some fleets) makes you more 'usable'. Then they can shift you all the way to the earliest slot on day 3++.

They still have to call you and notify you of the 7am report, it doesn't really change what they have to do to give it to you. You are going back on long call earlier, but they could always give you a long call range callout during short call.


I think it just saves the step that they're already doing to get you earlier on subsequent days.

I predict (for those of us junior on RES) that SC will move in a fairly predictable shift, earlier each subsequent day. Only tool we have to defend against this (for those senior enough for it to work) is to YS "if needed for SC, time XX:xx to XX:xx".
I really think you are all reading way too much into this, it is just making the assignment match more with actual practice and get you back into long call sooner, it doesn't change what they can actually do with you in the slightest.

Big E 757 10-26-2018 01:52 PM

Has anyone called scheduling to see if they’ll release us an additional 2 hours early?

Gspeed 10-26-2018 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 2698244)
Has anyone called scheduling to see if they’ll release us an additional 2 hours early?

I got released from SC today nearly 2 hours early.

cni187 10-27-2018 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2697289)
Reserve is a choice!..... er is that commuting is a choice!

Reserve is a choice...I worked 4 days in September and only 4 in October.

GogglesPisano 10-27-2018 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 2698799)
Reserve is a choice...I worked 4 days in September and only 4 in October.

You do us all a disservice. Every day you were on call and available to the Company, you worked.

velosnow 10-27-2018 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by cni187 (Post 2698799)
Reserve is a choice...I worked 4 days in September and only 4 in October.

My November bid results would disagree.

Gunfighter 10-27-2018 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2698844)
You do us all a disservice. Every day you were on call and available to the Company, you worked.

Agreed. I just spent 17 days ensuring the integrity of our international flying schedule. Four of those days required travel away from home, but I worked all 17. If the market didn’t value on-time performance and high completion factors, reserves wouldn’t be necessary. We are working on reserve, just not that hard.

Planetrain 10-27-2018 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2698860)
Agreed. I just spent 17 days ensuring the integrity of our international flying schedule. Four of those days required travel away from home, but I worked all 17. If the market didn’t value on-time performance and high completion factors, reserves wouldn’t be necessary. We are working on reserve, just not that hard.

It comes in waves. I’ve spent A LOT more time being destroyed on reserve than growing a reserve beard. Enjoy it while it lasts! It wasn’t that long ago I was used EVERY SC. It didn’t matter if it had been 9 or 12 hours. You’d only sit 2 or 3, but that was because every other LC day had a trip assigned.


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