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Carl Spackler 05-27-2010 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 817734)
Close enough in my book!!:)

Welcome back Carl.

Denny

Come on Denny, leave some for the rest of us will ya! She'd be putty in the hands of DennyCrane. Wouldn't even be a fair fight.

Carl

tsquare 05-27-2010 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 817606)
That theory works if you actually know what you are talking about and they readily admit it. Outside if that, which is usually the reality, a Ken Watts is nice to have in your corner.

A two part response, and I can actualy agree to both of your statements.

In part 1... Yes you are correct. If you know what the issue is, you can probably get it dealt with right then and there. So, my response to that is to know what you are talking about before you call the company. So... first place a call to Curtis at DALPA, who used to work in skeds. HE knows the contract, and also the mindset of the scheduler. Get his take on it, then call skeds.

Part 2.. If you are unsuccessful using the method I described above, a good CA guy is good to have, no question. Ken Watts is not the only one out there, and maybe he was good, but the point is moot, he quit. Time to move on.

Now... food for thought. If you use the method I described in part 1, and are successful, you will see the $ in your next paycheck. If you insist on punching the company in the face and going down the grievance path at all cost, you might see it in 2-3 months. Time/value of money. I know which I would prefer. But whatever floats your boat....

Carl Spackler 05-27-2010 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 817735)
She also said they have a much less technologically advanced system, & still do some scheduling with pencil/paper. No joke, her words exactly. I think they're a little strained right now.

This might already be old, but a friend of mine there has given Delta a new acronym:

Doing
Everything
Like
The
Amish

Carl

tsquare 05-27-2010 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 817741)
Buzzkill.

Carl

Sorry.. I prefer real women, and Americanidol is the biggest waste of time and money on the planet. The only thing it was good for is to drive the price of AT&T and AAPL up...

INAV8OR 05-27-2010 06:33 AM

Sorry for the thread creep, but I have a question that I hope some of the South guys can answer:

I was awarded an AE in the Jan. bid. I have not been scheduled for training yet. Was I allowed to be awarded an AE if I could hold it in the last bid?
Current status DC9 DTW B
AE in JAN M88 MSP B- I bid for to keep pay protection from 747 SO
have not been sched. class date yet.
was I able to bid for MAY AE?

Thanks

Denny Crane 05-27-2010 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 817743)
Come on Denny, leave some for the rest of us will ya! She'd be putty in the hands of DennyCrane. Wouldn't even be a fair fight.

Carl

Hey! I'm a lawyer. The only "fair" fight is one I win!!;)

Denny

acl65pilot 05-27-2010 06:39 AM

No you have a two year seat lock from the award.

As a back up the best wa to see if you have a freeze is to go on DBMS(I-crew) and check for a freeze. You can see this by trying to put new AE choices it. It will show a freeze there is you have one.

Denny Crane 05-27-2010 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 817751)
Sorry for the thread creep, but I have a question that I hope some of the South guys can answer:

I was awarded an AE in the Jan. bid. I have not been scheduled for training yet. Was I allowed to be awarded an AE if I could hold it in the last bid?
Current status DC9 DTW B
AE in JAN M88 MSP B- I bid for to keep pay protection from 747 SO
have not been sched. class date yet.
was I able to bid for MAY AE?

Thanks

Off the top of my head, I'd say no you could not bid but with a couple of exceptions. Your freeze started the day the award came out so I would assume you are frozen for 2 years from then. When you sign into the page where you enter your AE bids, it has a line that says when your freeze expires. The exceptions come with the opening of a new or reestablished category like SEA ER, if you are MD'd or VD'd from the category you were awarded in the previous AE, and if you bid FO to Capt. There might be a couple of others but it is very limited.

Denny

Denny Crane 05-27-2010 06:57 AM

INAV8OR,

Your question leads me to think of another one having to do with pay protection. What if, in the Jan 2010 AE award, you bid to keep pay protection and are now seat locked for 2 years on equipment still below your original pay protected status. Then, in a subsequent bid, someone junior to you hold your original equipment while you are still frozen. Are you still pay protected because you could not bid back to your original equipment? Just wondering.

Denny

Sink r8 05-27-2010 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by INAV8OR (Post 817751)
Sorry for the thread creep, but I have a question that I hope some of the South guys can answer:

I was awarded an AE in the Jan. bid. I have not been scheduled for training yet. Was I allowed to be awarded an AE if I could hold it in the last bid?
Current status DC9 DTW B
AE in JAN M88 MSP B- I bid for to keep pay protection from 747 SO
have not been sched. class date yet.
was I able to bid for MAY AE?

Thanks

I could have sworn you could bid something else if you haven't started training, but the pertinent section is 22 G, and I can't find a way to read it that allows you to bid whatever you want. Only the same equipment in a different base.


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