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Old 12-15-2019 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
This sounds illegal, no? Basically paying for a job interview.
Were you not around when some of the regionals made you pay for your training (ie...the type training after INDOC)? Buying yourself a job?
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Old 12-15-2019 | 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
This sounds illegal, no? Basically paying for a job interview.
Nope. Higher Power Aviation was a 737 type factory in Dallas during the time SWA required a 737 type. Management used to “stop by” for the lunch breaks there all the time.

When SWA went away from the mandatory type, I guess HPA sold out to all-atps
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Old 12-15-2019 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
Were you not around when some of the regionals made you pay for your training (ie...the type training after INDOC)? Buying yourself a job?
I guess that's true, but that was AFTER they were hired (still not right though).

People who can afford it are more likely to be hired at Delta. Doesn't seem like the best way to ensure we're getting the best candidates. And shouldn't be allowed in my opinion. But that's just my opinion
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Old 12-15-2019 | 08:16 AM
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One of the questions on the app is, "Have you ever failed ANY checkrides (military or civilian) or received an unsat (military or civilian) on ANY phase check, proficiency check, FAA check ride, line check or ANY portion of flight or simulator training (military or civilian)?"

I've never had a failure on a check ride or prog check, but I honestly can't remember if seventeen years ago I received an "unsat" on any particular objective of a flight lesson. I would assume I did at some point, but I don't have any records of that. How should I answer this question?
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Old 12-15-2019 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
I guess that's true, but that was AFTER they were hired (still not right though).
If I'm not mistaken it was a term of them getting hired. Either way pretty crappy.

Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
People who can afford it are more likely to be hired at Delta. Doesn't seem like the best way to ensure we're getting the best candidates. And shouldn't be allowed in my opinion. But that's just my opinion
Lol, true they haven't asked me for my opinion either . There are lots of hiring practices that are not conductive to hiring the best candidates, but it is what it is. "Bridge" programs, flows (like we had with CPZ), etc...

What is the cost of this program vs any other place you have to go to get an ATP?
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Old 12-15-2019 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Micolay
One of the questions on the app is, "Have you ever failed ANY checkrides (military or civilian) or received an unsat (military or civilian) on ANY phase check, proficiency check, FAA check ride, line check or ANY portion of flight or simulator training (military or civilian)?"

I've never had a failure on a check ride or prog check, but I honestly can't remember if seventeen years ago I received an "unsat" on any particular objective of a flight lesson. I would assume I did at some point, but I don't have any records of that. How should I answer this question?
As honestly as possible. The interviewers know that everyone has faced some kind of adversity or failure in their lives and career. Don't be afraid of this question. It will be an opportunity in your interview to demonstrate what you learned from a failure and how you have grown and become a better person/pilot.

As far as an individual ride not meeting MIF during pilot training that you can't remember, I might make mention of it in a note (but that is up to you) and if it is brought up that you have failed a ride, again, be as honest as possible. State exactly what you said here, that you very likely did, but that you can't remember the exact instance. Then you can talk about how you would have addressed it (learn, apply, share).

Delta want's real pilots that have grown and know how to improve themselves, not "super-pilots" that have never and will never do anything wrong, because those don't exist and the ones that believe they are, are a liability.
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Old 12-15-2019 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Spectre186
It’s not illegal, Delta gets eyes on potential first officers for a week, as well as seeing them fly in the sim. For students, who are mainly military, they get an outstanding intro to the 121 world. Win-Win.
I had a few mil buddies trying to get hired at delta last year when we were barely hiring and had just started the ATP-CTP thing. They were unaware of the program and got their ATP the old fashioned way, at a local airport w a pilot examiner in a Seminole, etc. They never received interviews and were passed up for (arguably lesser competitive) guys who paid for the program. FedEx is happy to have them now...
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Old 12-15-2019 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadStick
I had a few mil buddies trying to get hired at delta last year when we were barely hiring and had just started the ATP-CTP thing. They were unaware of the program and got their ATP the old fashioned way, at a local airport w a pilot examiner in a Seminole, etc. They never received interviews and were passed up for (arguably lesser competitive) guys who paid for the program. FedEx is happy to have them now...
Unfortunate, but it sounds similar to the job seminars and conventions that are a paid-for way to get face time with company representatives.
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Old 12-15-2019 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
If I'm not mistaken it was a term of them getting hired. Either way pretty crappy.



Lol, true they haven't asked me for my opinion either . There are lots of hiring practices that are not conductive to hiring the best candidates, but it is what it is. "Bridge" programs, flows (like we had with CPZ), etc...

[b]What is the cost of this program vs any other place you have to go to get an ATP?[/]
$0.00 if you get hired at any regional or company that requires ATP.

This paid CPT program is another revenue to Delta. Delta can hire them before and put them through the cpt program, like any other company do.
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Old 12-15-2019 | 10:36 AM
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If you bust the interview and get a 6 month reinterview, are the chances of getting hired lower on the second since the crew knows you busted the first time?


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