Flow confirmed
05-26-2021 | 07:50 PM
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No, but statements from *Your* MEC are... DALPA has released official statements in support of our campaign as far back as 2018, if you cared to pay any attention...
05-27-2021 | 04:35 AM
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A flow is a great backup, it’s something you can keep in your back pocket incase you don’t get hired with the carrier of your choice. That being said I don’t blame 9E guys for wanting it. I will warn you guys though, this flow will hurt the pilots who are right in the middle of the list. All pilots who are junior captains trying to get their 1000 hours and want to go to delta will get screwed. Assuming youre qualified, your number could of come up this year for an interview with delta under the current program. Instead you’re going to have to wait until you can flow. I promise you delta will not hire 9E pilots outside the flow. Ask me how I know this? This same exact thing happened to me at an American wholly owned. Also don’t expect the number of flows to increase from 20 a month, that 20 pilots a month is in language of LOA 9.
05-27-2021 | 04:55 AM
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05-27-2021 | 06:09 AM
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I don't pay attention to Delta or ALPA unless it affects me. I have a life. You won't either after the first contract cycle at a major. Same stuff different badge. SCOPE recovery at Delta is the one thing ASA and Comair didn't have going for them. If this situation doesn't produce a unified brand list, nothing will. Again, good luck with the flow. It may work for a while but not for everyone on the 9E list. Ask Mesaba or Compass people. Oh yeah, they don't exist anymore. I've mentioned 4 airlines you could learn from, I wish you well in your endeavors.
05-27-2021 | 06:23 AM
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I don't pay attention to Delta or ALPA unless it affects me. I have a life. You won't either after the first contract cycle at a major. Same stuff different badge. SCOPE recovery at Delta is the one thing ASA and Comair didn't have going for them. If this situation doesn't produce a unified brand list, nothing will. Again, good luck with the flow. It may work for a while but not for everyone on the 9E list. Ask Mesaba or Compass people. Oh yeah, they don't exist anymore. I've mentioned 4 airlines you could learn from, I wish you well in your endeavors.
05-27-2021 | 06:29 AM
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05-27-2021 | 06:37 AM
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Edvalpa had probably half a dozen formal meetings on career progression on the last several years. Many proposals have been submitted. If you're interested, we had one plan that was nearly accepted (and supposedly was going to be accepted by delta before the pandemic)
The CAP (career advancement plan) had several criteria and was a guaranteed and contractual model to delta.
The program had certain "gates" that a pilot had to meet before flowing. Some achievement based (upgrade, LCA, CP, etc). Some personal ( no DUI, volunteer experience, continued education). But the idea was to earn points or merit in certain categories in order to prove to delta you were delta material.
The idea on our side was that someone who maybe didn't have a degree could offset that with high achievement (LCA, etc). Or someone with some stuff in their background from a million years ago could be really involved in their community and show personal development.
We believed that a 5-6 year continuous interview would be a more accurate reflection than a two day event that could be prepped to robotic perfection. That when you reached the requisite amount of points or gates or whatever you simply flowed over to Delta with no interview or psych eval.
Fwiw a plan almost identical to this was actually proposed TO us during the flow talks until everyone realized it was going to take to long to hammer out and they fell back on just using the original loa 9 terms.
Hope that helps your understanding of how this process went down. We certainly didn't go into any meetings with scope in our sights.
From the looks of it this was Delta (JL and co) thought process. We want these 35 planes back + we were going to do progression with endeavor= maybe we can conbine the two. We got screwed by them doing a flip on us and suddenly connecting our (nearly) decade long progression gains to this crap loa.
05-27-2021 | 06:46 AM
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This process has been in play for at least 6 years.
Edvalpa had probably half a dozen formal meetings on career progression on the last several years. Many proposals have been submitted. If you're interested, we had one plan that was nearly accepted (and supposedly was going to be accepted by delta before the pandemic)
The CAP (career advancement plan) had several criteria and was a guaranteed and contractual model to delta.
The program had certain "gates" that a pilot had to meet before flowing. Some achievement based (upgrade, LCA, CP, etc). Some personal ( no DUI, volunteer experience, continued education). But the idea was to earn points or merit in certain categories in order to prove to delta you were delta material.
The idea on our side was that someone who maybe didn't have a degree could offset that with high achievement (LCA, etc). Or someone with some stuff in their background from a million years ago could be really involved in their community and show personal development.
We believed that a 5-6 year continuous interview would be a more accurate reflection than a two day event that could be prepped to robotic perfection. That when you reached the requisite amount of points or gates or whatever you simply flowed over to Delta with no interview or psych eval.
Fwiw a plan almost identical to this was actually proposed TO us during the flow talks until everyone realized it was going to take to long to hammer out and they fell back on just using the original loa 9 terms.
Hope that helps your understanding of how this process went down. We certainly didn't go into any meetings with scope in our sights.
From the looks of it this was Delta (JL and co) thought process. We want these 35 planes back + we were going to do progression with endeavor= maybe we can conbine the two. We got screwed by them doing a flip on us and suddenly connecting our (nearly) decade long progression gains to this crap loa.
Edvalpa had probably half a dozen formal meetings on career progression on the last several years. Many proposals have been submitted. If you're interested, we had one plan that was nearly accepted (and supposedly was going to be accepted by delta before the pandemic)
The CAP (career advancement plan) had several criteria and was a guaranteed and contractual model to delta.
The program had certain "gates" that a pilot had to meet before flowing. Some achievement based (upgrade, LCA, CP, etc). Some personal ( no DUI, volunteer experience, continued education). But the idea was to earn points or merit in certain categories in order to prove to delta you were delta material.
The idea on our side was that someone who maybe didn't have a degree could offset that with high achievement (LCA, etc). Or someone with some stuff in their background from a million years ago could be really involved in their community and show personal development.
We believed that a 5-6 year continuous interview would be a more accurate reflection than a two day event that could be prepped to robotic perfection. That when you reached the requisite amount of points or gates or whatever you simply flowed over to Delta with no interview or psych eval.
Fwiw a plan almost identical to this was actually proposed TO us during the flow talks until everyone realized it was going to take to long to hammer out and they fell back on just using the original loa 9 terms.
Hope that helps your understanding of how this process went down. We certainly didn't go into any meetings with scope in our sights.
From the looks of it this was Delta (JL and co) thought process. We want these 35 planes back + we were going to do progression with endeavor= maybe we can conbine the two. We got screwed by them doing a flip on us and suddenly connecting our (nearly) decade long progression gains to this crap loa.
05-27-2021 | 06:47 AM
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This process has been in play for at least 6 years.
Edvalpa had probably half a dozen formal meetings on career progression on the last several years. Many proposals have been submitted. If you're interested, we had one plan that was nearly accepted (and supposedly was going to be accepted by delta before the pandemic)
The CAP (career advancement plan) had several criteria and was a guaranteed and contractual model to delta.
The program had certain "gates" that a pilot had to meet before flowing. Some achievement based (upgrade, LCA, CP, etc). Some personal ( no DUI, volunteer experience, continued education). But the idea was to earn points or merit in certain categories in order to prove to delta you were delta material.
The idea on our side was that someone who maybe didn't have a degree could offset that with high achievement (LCA, etc). Or someone with some stuff in their background from a million years ago could be really involved in their community and show personal development.
We believed that a 5-6 year continuous interview would be a more accurate reflection than a two day event that could be prepped to robotic perfection. That when you reached the requisite amount of points or gates or whatever you simply flowed over to Delta with no interview or psych eval.
Fwiw a plan almost identical to this was actually proposed TO us during the flow talks until everyone realized it was going to take to long to hammer out and they fell back on just using the original loa 9 terms.
Hope that helps your understanding of how this process went down. We certainly didn't go into any meetings with scope in our sights.
From the looks of it this was Delta (JL and co) thought process. We want these 35 planes back + we were going to do progression with endeavor= maybe we can conbine the two. We got screwed by them doing a flip on us and suddenly connecting our (nearly) decade long progression gains to this crap loa.
Edvalpa had probably half a dozen formal meetings on career progression on the last several years. Many proposals have been submitted. If you're interested, we had one plan that was nearly accepted (and supposedly was going to be accepted by delta before the pandemic)
The CAP (career advancement plan) had several criteria and was a guaranteed and contractual model to delta.
The program had certain "gates" that a pilot had to meet before flowing. Some achievement based (upgrade, LCA, CP, etc). Some personal ( no DUI, volunteer experience, continued education). But the idea was to earn points or merit in certain categories in order to prove to delta you were delta material.
The idea on our side was that someone who maybe didn't have a degree could offset that with high achievement (LCA, etc). Or someone with some stuff in their background from a million years ago could be really involved in their community and show personal development.
We believed that a 5-6 year continuous interview would be a more accurate reflection than a two day event that could be prepped to robotic perfection. That when you reached the requisite amount of points or gates or whatever you simply flowed over to Delta with no interview or psych eval.
Fwiw a plan almost identical to this was actually proposed TO us during the flow talks until everyone realized it was going to take to long to hammer out and they fell back on just using the original loa 9 terms.
Hope that helps your understanding of how this process went down. We certainly didn't go into any meetings with scope in our sights.
From the looks of it this was Delta (JL and co) thought process. We want these 35 planes back + we were going to do progression with endeavor= maybe we can conbine the two. We got screwed by them doing a flip on us and suddenly connecting our (nearly) decade long progression gains to this crap loa.
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