They don't see it that way, and in any case what I meant is the company will demand a concession in return for anything that benefits us, even if it also benefits them. That's just how it works...

 

DL mainline guy here.

1) I (and others) are/were aware of your orange lanyard / no hat / progression for all....we also have Captains that still use flip phones and don’t know we fly the CS-100/A-220, so don’t be too surprised that not every ML guy knew about it.

2) I feel it’s safe to safe a large majority of mainline guys would love for Endeavor guys/gals to flow up. We don’t get a say in who Mgmt hires and DL could have signed a standalone flow deal anytime they wanted to. We just don’t want it tied to scope.

3) we still have 717/220’s parked, yet Mgmt complains they need the lift...if they need the -900’s that bad, then put them in the mainline fleet...pay rates are already in the PWA, and I’m sure endeavor has more than a handful of qualified pilots who would love to make the jump to mainline to fly them.

4) I don’t have any resentment toward endeavor pilots...LOA9 and the 35 RJ’s are our battle...you guys look at the offer in front of you, compare the pros/cons, and vote what’s best for you.

Hope to see you at mainline in the near future.

 

Great post. As a 9E guy most of us understand the beef isn't with us. We get it..we would be upset and ****ed if we were in your shoes about the scope ordeal. We also understand it will affect us when we start flowing to mainline. But at the same time mainline guys have to understand we can't say no to this. As its what our union has been trying to get and well it never looks good to bite the hand that's feeding you.

It's obvious that most mainline pilots and dalpa have another suggestion that would work in all parties favor. Trust us we would prefer that, at least I would. I do know there are a few that wouldn't. But this is our best option. If our mec told delta no we want something else not tied to scope and delta just walked away morale here would drop drastically. Hope that dalpa and dal can come to some sort of agreement that doesn't destroy scope but also keeps the flow going.

Who knows I could just be speaking for myself

 

Thanks for the post...I hope this all gets sorted out in an amicable way for all parties involved.

 

If this doesn’t get worked out soon we need to file a lawsuit showing that Endeavor and Delta are a single carrier under the RLA and demand a fair seniority list integration. We are listed as unionized Delta Air Lines employees on their financial filings.

 

The key here is VOTE - we are not being allowed to do this, which is very concerning to me. Our pilot group should be able to vote on something that locks our contract for 9 years as well as allows a future flow back. The union is pushing back with BS about great relations with the company and not to worry about it at all - how will that look 3 or 6 or 9 years down the road? A change in management? The reality I’m seeing is the guys making this decision will all be out of here in 6 months.

Delta’s management must be partying. They, in theory, solved their contract problem by replacing us with Compass, giving them back their 35 regional jets. And they got us to give up contract changes for 9 years. Double win for them! They better be serving champagne!

Back to the point - our union should allow us to VOTE.

 

yeah...ok, hold your breath on that one lol

 

Yes they should. We need to recall all the reps who are forcing this contract extension on us without a vote. Unbelievable

 

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1) Act like Comair

 

I'm consistently amazed at how the crazies pop up during these kind of things...