Flow confirmed
05-26-2021 | 09:00 AM
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If that’s actually what happened (which I don’t doubt) then DL bluffed your guys. 9E was the only show in town for a flow back. I’d have serious questions about the guys representing me if they took that bluff serious. The best part is now they’re using it as an excuse, so either they’re using it as propaganda, or worse they took the bluff serious.
05-26-2021 | 09:01 AM
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Put (yourDALPA) Money where your mouth is and Advocate for this before it’s done.
One sided UnIty is NoT UNITY!
05-26-2021 | 09:02 AM
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If that’s actually what happened (which I don’t doubt) then DL bluffed your guys. 9E was the only show in town for a flow back. I’d have serious questions about the guys representing me if they took that bluff serious. The best part is now they’re using it as an excuse, so either they’re using it as propaganda, or worse they took the bluff serious.
All hypothetical, but I don't doubt that delta thought a deal could be made somewhere. They chose us because they could kill 2 birds with one stone
05-26-2021 | 09:08 AM
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you think honestly that if delta went to oo and offered to summarily cancel rah contract and award all their flying to OO, plus the 35, plus a flow up, plus some money, that y'all wouldn't have blinked? I don't think it was a bluff at all. I think delta is gonna get what delta wants
So no I don’t honestly think DL could negotiate anything with OO and YX, due to the flow back.
05-26-2021 | 09:12 AM
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you think honestly that if delta went to oo and offered to summarily cancel rah contract and award all their flying to OO, plus the 35, plus a flow up, plus some money, that y'all wouldn't have blinked? I don't think it was a bluff at all. I think delta is gonna get what delta wants
All hypothetical, but I don't doubt that delta thought a deal could be made somewhere. They chose us because they could kill 2 birds with one stone
All hypothetical, but I don't doubt that delta thought a deal could be made somewhere. They chose us because they could kill 2 birds with one stone
05-26-2021 | 09:14 AM
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Now that’s actually a possible scenario. Once again though EDVALPA is pushing bull$hit claiming OO and YX were potential candidates if 9E turned down the TA.
05-26-2021 | 09:18 AM
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No, I assume that the 9E MEC will not let this go to MEMRAT and even if they do it will pass and it will be up to DALPA to win in arbitration. I always expect pilots to vote for what is in their best interest, I just don't see how selling mainline jobs for regional jobs is in anybody's best interest. Think of how many retirements are coming up in the next 10 years -- a flow might sound nice now but you don't need it. Don't kick yourself in 10 years for having sold scope for pennies on the dollar and the false security blanket of some flow that you might or might not ever get to use.
Endeavor didn't sell anything for scope. If Endeavor gets a flow, it's because an arbitrator agreed with Delta's position that DALPA already sold scope for a flowback/flowup agreement via LOA 9. If the arbitrator agrees with DALPA that LOA 9 died with Compass, then there's no flow and things go back to the way they were before, except that Endeavor has a foot in the door for a different guaranteed progression deal in the future.
05-26-2021 | 09:19 AM
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Addressing this part directly...
The 9E MEC didn't have negotiating leverage. The offer started with a flow up and new-hire career progression in exchange for flowback and a significant contract hit. When the MEC said that they needed to evaluate the cost of the contract hit, Delta/9E came back and said, fine, LOA 9 terms as is, take it or leave it, we need to know by the end of the week. There wasn't any room left to negotiate.
The 9E MEC didn't have negotiating leverage. The offer started with a flow up and new-hire career progression in exchange for flowback and a significant contract hit. When the MEC said that they needed to evaluate the cost of the contract hit, Delta/9E came back and said, fine, LOA 9 terms as is, take it or leave it, we need to know by the end of the week. There wasn't any room left to negotiate.
05-26-2021 | 09:24 AM
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Addressing this part directly...
The 9E MEC didn't have negotiating leverage. The offer started with a flow up and new-hire career progression in exchange for flowback and a significant contract hit. When the MEC said that they needed to evaluate the cost of the contract hit, Delta/9E came back and said, fine, LOA 9 terms as is, take it or leave it, we need to know by the end of the week. There wasn't any room left to negotiate.
The 9E MEC didn't have negotiating leverage. The offer started with a flow up and new-hire career progression in exchange for flowback and a significant contract hit. When the MEC said that they needed to evaluate the cost of the contract hit, Delta/9E came back and said, fine, LOA 9 terms as is, take it or leave it, we need to know by the end of the week. There wasn't any room left to negotiate.
05-26-2021 | 09:28 AM
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It was always going to be up to DALPA to win in arbitration. Delta made that clear. They believe they have the contractual right to the 35 RJs via LOA 9, and only DALPA can stop them.
Endeavor didn't sell anything for scope. If Endeavor gets a flow, it's because an arbitrator agreed with Delta's position that DALPA already sold scope for a flowback/flowup agreement via LOA 9. If the arbitrator agrees with DALPA that LOA 9 died with Compass, then there's no flow and things go back to the way they were before, except that Endeavor has a foot in the door for a different guaranteed progression deal in the future.
Endeavor didn't sell anything for scope. If Endeavor gets a flow, it's because an arbitrator agreed with Delta's position that DALPA already sold scope for a flowback/flowup agreement via LOA 9. If the arbitrator agrees with DALPA that LOA 9 died with Compass, then there's no flow and things go back to the way they were before, except that Endeavor has a foot in the door for a different guaranteed progression deal in the future.
^^^ this all day
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