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Old 07-21-2021 | 08:03 AM
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Assuming the flow stays the way it is today and new hires get the DGI, will the DGI still be 18 months after upgrade or will everyone have to flow first before any interviews take place?
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Old 07-21-2021 | 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by OscarRomeo
Assuming the flow stays the way it is today and new hires get the DGI, will the DGI still be 18 months after upgrade or will everyone have to flow first before any interviews take place?
Short answer is...no
Sightly longer answer is... We don't know
as it's written now, EVERY SINGLE pilot on the flow list has to flow or decline before the dgi restarts for new hires.

The DO on our mec podcast yesterday very clearly stated that we NEED to extend the flow agreement to new hires. If the flow holds up, I would expect it to come to new hires very soon via Loa. It'll however be a modified version of the career advancement plan, which will just be a flow with gates.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
Short answer is...no
Sightly longer answer is... We don't know
as it's written now, EVERY SINGLE pilot on the flow list has to flow or decline before the dgi restarts for new hires.

The DO on our mec podcast yesterday very clearly stated that we NEED to extend the flow agreement to new hires. If the flow holds up, I would expect it to come to new hires very soon via Loa. It'll however be a modified version of the career advancement plan, which will just be a flow with gates.
And they NEED to give the rest of us something if they want that carrot to dangle to the new hires.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
And they NEED to give the rest of us something if they want that carrot to dangle to the new hires.
The carrot is going to be fast upgrades and beat pay for the five years you're working there. (just saying thats the carrot, not the truth)
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Old 07-21-2021 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
The carrot is going to be fast upgrades and beat pay for the five years you're working there. (just saying thats the carrot, not the truth)
sounds like the union is already prepping for plan B if Delta loses arbitration. The attrition is accelerating and will most likely increase. Flow might be the only way to keep pilots here. Especially the middle of the pack. LCC’s are sucking them up
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Old 07-21-2021 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
sounds like the union is already prepping for plan B if Delta loses arbitration. The attrition is accelerating and will most likely increase. Flow might be the only way to keep pilots here. Especially the middle of the pack. LCC’s are sucking them up
I found it funny that RE was slandering pilots decisions to leave to JetBlue and Spirit. Why would anyone wait around for a useless DGI when JetBlue has similar NB pay?
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Old 07-21-2021 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chal850
I also can imagine many we may fly with at DL who have the same issues
No doubt every group has there people that are outliers. But put two of those pilots together and bad things potentially happen. Like I said the crew dynamic will be interesting, most of the flows will be going to the 7ER in NYC with very senior captains. I will be very interested to hear about how that goes with the first few months of flows in the seat...
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Old 07-21-2021 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
No doubt every group has there people that are outliers. But put two of those pilots together and bad things potentially happen. Like I said the crew dynamic will be interesting, most of the flows will be going to the 7ER in NYC with very senior captains. I will be very interested to hear about how that goes with the first few months of flows in the seat...
Would that be accurate info, there will always be an inherent bias against flows?
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Old 07-21-2021 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
No doubt every group has there people that are outliers. But put two of those pilots together and bad things potentially happen. Like I said the crew dynamic will be interesting, most of the flows will be going to the 7ER in NYC with very senior captains. I will be very interested to hear about how that goes with the first few months of flows in the seat...
It can’t be worse than some F16 air head.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
And they NEED to give the rest of us something if they want that carrot to dangle to the new hires.
I'm pretty sure the way they set l see it, and I see it, and the union see it, is that at already got our carrot. The flow. The new hires also need a carrot, and that'll be the cap. I'm not sure how you think we'll get the flow and something else? Unless attrition becomes completely unmanageable, which it isn't yet.
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