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Old 07-21-2021 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Casualinterest
I'm pretty sure the way they set l see it, and I see it, and the union see it, is that at already got our carrot. The flow. The new hires also need a carrot, and that'll be the cap. I'm not sure how you think we'll get the flow and something else? Unless attrition becomes completely unmanageable, which it isn't yet.
I may have missed it but does anyone know when the next flow email will be sent? They obviously didn’t get the full 250 so what’s the plan? Send out another 130?
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Old 07-21-2021 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
No doubt every group has there people that are outliers. But put two of those pilots together and bad things potentially happen. Like I said the crew dynamic will be interesting, most of the flows will be going to the 7ER in NYC with very senior captains. I will be very interested to hear about how that goes with the first few months of flows in the seat...

Meh, NYC7ER Capt went pretty junior on the last bid. The flows will likely end up flying with a few ex 9E guys.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Would that be accurate info, there will always be an inherent bias against flows?
Ask the CPZ guys that flowed, if there was a bias. To this day I still have friends that got hired both inside and outside the flow at CPZ and the first thing the CA asks after they say they were previous CPZ is if they were part of the flow. Of course there's bias. DL sent between 5-10 guys back to CPZ too because of numerous issues, training, personality, conflicts with instructors, etc. Most of those pilots were older. That just reinforced those biases. I think a majority of these guys/gals will be fine, but I still think your going to see outliers. Let's be real here the business reasoning for the flows is to get those RJ's back. I'm not saying the cards will be stacked against them as far as getting through the gates, but I don't think it's going to be as easy as someone getting hired off the street who went through the process and successfully onboarded. I still think there are a lot of pilots that think going through the interview and getting a CJO (regardless if the interview process was not good and weeded out alot of good people) to get here is a right of passage and anyone else who gets a quasi free ride and in some instances got turned down multiple times or was given multiple opportunities to come to DL is going to be looked down upon. Personally I have no problem with these pilots flowing, I've just sat next to lots of old pilots here who don't see things or feel the way I do and my hope is that doesn't create conflict when these flows come to DL. I'd like to think we are all professional enough to do our jobs without these issues, but after seeing what some of the older pilots post in skyhub or on private DL facebook groups, I'll hold my breath
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Old 07-21-2021 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by NeverFlexTO
Ask the CPZ guys that flowed, if there was a bias. To this day I still have friends that got hired both inside and outside the flow at CPZ and the first thing the CA asks after they say they were previous CPZ is if they were part of the flow. Of course there's bias. DL sent between 5-10 guys back to CPZ too because of numerous issues, training, personality, conflicts with instructors, etc. Most of those pilots were older. That just reinforced those biases. I think a majority of these guys/gals will be fine, but I still think your going to see outliers. Let's be real here the business reasoning for the flows is to get those RJ's back. I'm not saying the cards will be stacked against them as far as getting through the gates, but I don't think it's going to be as easy as someone getting hired off the street who went through the process and successfully onboarded. I still think there are a lot of pilots that think going through the interview and getting a CJO (regardless if the interview process was not good and weeded out alot of good people) to get here is a right of passage and anyone else who gets a quasi free ride and in some instances got turned down multiple times or was given multiple opportunities to come to DL is going to be looked down upon. Personally I have no problem with these pilots flowing, I've just sat next to lots of old pilots here who don't see things or feel the way I do and my hope is that doesn't create conflict when these flows come to DL. I'd like to think we are all professional enough to do our jobs without these issues, but after seeing what some of the older pilots post in skyhub or on private DL facebook groups, I'll hold my breath
You lost me at old pilots posting on Facebook
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Old 07-21-2021 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Would that be accurate info, there will always be an inherent bias against flows?
Aquired NOT hired.
The answer is Yes.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JacksonThunder
It can’t be worse than some F16 air head.
Settle down Skippy.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
sounds like the union is already prepping for plan B if Delta loses arbitration. The attrition is accelerating and will most likely increase. Flow might be the only way to keep pilots here. Especially the middle of the pack. LCC’s are sucking them up
Delta already had a flow ready pre covid, the truth is if Delta pays EDV any more they might as well bring them onto mainline. Im good with either decision.

Delta demanded pilots adapt to new economics when i was there, and EDV has been arm barring Delta back ever since. Time for Delta to accept the new economics.
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Old 07-21-2021 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by theUpsideDown
Delta already had a flow ready pre covid
Thats a bold statement and highly unlikely. Delta is all about bringing people through the interview process to weed out certain candidates. It’s a very scientific approach…
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Old 07-21-2021 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Yumyum
I may have missed it but does anyone know when the next flow email will be sent? They obviously didn’t get the full 250 so what’s the plan? Send out another 130?
They have six months worth of flows now, which takes them up through January. So maybe they'd send out another email in November/December to get names for class dates in February and beyond (plus the three month holdback)?
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Old 07-21-2021 | 06:10 PM
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Is delta going to give classes regardless of the arbitration decision?
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