No. Read the union email. It was ALL pilots, not pilots allowed to vote. The union has everyone's pay, and 280 are below 83 an hour average. They might be at 82 hours ot 77 hours, 1 pilot was at a 75 average. Your supposition about pilots per year being below 83 hours is incorrect. Do you have the pay numbers for the whole pilot group? The union does.

Why can't everyone get a raise? Everyone is getting a raise, and except for the super senior, its the same pay raise.

The retention bonuses are ending. The company is giving us those bonuses rolled into pay rates and more.

I get that for a variety of reasons about 10% of the group can't pick up enough times to get at 83 average, that will change as their seniority climbs, or it won't if they choose to drop or call in sick so often they can't be reinbursed their sick time.

100% of the pilot group will lose these bonuses. Some people here want us ALL to risk the bonuses ending and take giant cuts because they think it's funny to watch delta squirm or the company to fail. 90% of us do the same or better with rates vs retention, and 100% of us get a pay raise.

Maybe another pilot group will hold out for more or play chicken with Delta. This one, for the most part, want to end these bonuses early.

 

Sadly, there is no way for mainline pilots to stick up for us. The APA stuck their necks out in the early 90's, and ALPA bit it off. The NMB has sided with ALPA/Management, for the dual class pilot structure.

 

Last time I checked with them, nobody was in their database with a hire date after early April. So at 60 new pilots crediting min per month...

 

Ah. Yes the negotiations were held in the past. Since the negotiating committe can't snap their fingers and make a years worth of data appear, time has moved on since those numbers were analysed.

When i went through training I was above guarantee. Why dont you crack open that rainmaker and have a look?

 

There are always at least 60 pilots crediting min guarantee in new hire training, and once they complete training they get a $10k-20k bonus.

 

We could hang anytime...cheers!

 

Four days ago we flew 282 passengers and had 4 landings in one day. But I’m not good enough for delta. Lol no big deal. I get free trash bags, booze and water so I’m good. Lol.

 

You flew 97 hours? Geezus you must have credited 300

 

So many of the "NO" voters talk about the less than $2300.00 pay cut some very small number of pilots will have to take if this TA is passed. They are so focused on 75 hrs of credit vs 83 hrs of credit they forget about the majority of us who stand to enjoy a substantial pay raise.
For Example: currently I am at the top of our pay scale. Over the years I have averaged 90hrs of credit per month. Here is what I stand to lose if this does not pass.

Year: 2016 Credit Hrs: 1160 x $90.00/hr = $104,400
+ $23,000
Total for 2016 $127,400

In 2018 if I credit the same number of hours:

1160 x $122.00/hr = $141,520
Pay Difference $14,100

I do not understand why I should take a $14,000 pay cut so someone can sit at home and only credit 75 hours/month. I get it some new hires and Reserve guys may temporarily credit less than 75 hours/month. However, over the life of the LOA, unless you choose to credit 75 hours/month everyone stands to make substantially more than they are making today.

 

97 credit that is, like 60 something block