Any "Latest & Greatest" about Endeavor?
10-24-2017, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
we took that whoopin because 42% of the company had a class date at psa or tsa and 42% were too scared to tell delta and the judge, FU I quit. so we ended up with 15% willing to walk with at best 2 weeks notice.
We could kill that stranglehold instantly with a flow to Southwest or United or FedEx or UPS.
Why is everyone so damn chicken**** at the regionals? We do the same job, in worse conditions for half the pay and benefits... yes we fly smaller jets by 20%; but get paid half... enough of this
We could kill that stranglehold instantly with a flow to Southwest or United or FedEx or UPS.
Why is everyone so damn chicken**** at the regionals? We do the same job, in worse conditions for half the pay and benefits... yes we fly smaller jets by 20%; but get paid half... enough of this
10-24-2017, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Paid2fly
Now correct for the rate of inflation...
If you use December 2016 (as the year no more increases existed) this is still more.
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10-24-2017, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
we took that whoopin because 42% of the company had a class date at psa or tsa and 42% were too scared to tell delta and the judge, FU I quit. so we ended up with 15% willing to walk with at best 2 weeks notice.
We could kill that stranglehold instantly with a flow to Southwest or United or FedEx or UPS.
Why is everyone so damn chicken**** at the regionals? We do the same job, in worse conditions for half the pay and benefits... yes we fly smaller jets by 20%; but get paid half... enough of this
We could kill that stranglehold instantly with a flow to Southwest or United or FedEx or UPS.
Why is everyone so damn chicken**** at the regionals? We do the same job, in worse conditions for half the pay and benefits... yes we fly smaller jets by 20%; but get paid half... enough of this
Comair paved the way for this model when they went on strike. After that the whip saw began in force and all Regionals lost any power they may have had.
It's too easy to shift airplanes and flying to another regional.
Mainline pilots are the only ones that could ever stop this and they have no desire to stick their necks out for the JV team.
10-24-2017, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Avroman
we took that whoopin because 42% of the company had a class date at psa or tsa and 42% were too scared to tell delta and the judge, FU I quit. so we ended up with 15% willing to walk with at best 2 weeks notice.
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Why is everyone so damn chicken**** at the regionals?
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Why is everyone so damn chicken**** at the regionals?
If you want to call people chicken****, I guess you should have left when the bankruptcy loa passed.
10-24-2017, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by PT6flyer
First off its a pay raise for all pilots except 280 who average below 83. Endeavor has tons of soft pay, it's difficult to be below an 83 average. The union emails have broken down every pilot into earning brackets, you should read them.
This may be a tough one for newbies to understand, but endeavor has industry leading soft pay. Only one person found themselves at the 75 hour rate average last year of the entire pilot group (not just voters, the entire pilot group). Judging from my captains, even the 2 yr guys here still haven't opened rainmaker. Unless you're dropping trips and reserve days month after month, you're not at the 75hr rate, which is why you're never going to get it.
Only 280 of us are below the 83 hours average, and I'm not one of them.
Vote yes, vote the pay raise.
This may be a tough one for newbies to understand, but endeavor has industry leading soft pay. Only one person found themselves at the 75 hour rate average last year of the entire pilot group (not just voters, the entire pilot group). Judging from my captains, even the 2 yr guys here still haven't opened rainmaker. Unless you're dropping trips and reserve days month after month, you're not at the 75hr rate, which is why you're never going to get it.
Only 280 of us are below the 83 hours average, and I'm not one of them.
Vote yes, vote the pay raise.
Also, since 280 is at least 10% of the pilot group, at what % of the pilot group taking a pay cut does it become acceptable?
Why can't everyone get a pay raise?
10-24-2017, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by preflight
Except for 280 allowed to vote? Because there are loads of pilots who cannot vote that are way less than min credit each month...
Also, since 280 is at least 10% of the pilot group, at what % of the pilot group taking a pay cut does it become acceptable?
Why can't everyone get a pay raise?
Also, since 280 is at least 10% of the pilot group, at what % of the pilot group taking a pay cut does it become acceptable?
Why can't everyone get a pay raise?
Why can't everyone get a raise? Everyone is getting a raise, and except for the super senior, its the same pay raise.
The retention bonuses are ending. The company is giving us those bonuses rolled into pay rates and more.
I get that for a variety of reasons about 10% of the group can't pick up enough times to get at 83 average, that will change as their seniority climbs, or it won't if they choose to drop or call in sick so often they can't be reinbursed their sick time.
100% of the pilot group will lose these bonuses. Some people here want us ALL to risk the bonuses ending and take giant cuts because they think it's funny to watch delta squirm or the company to fail. 90% of us do the same or better with rates vs retention, and 100% of us get a pay raise.
Maybe another pilot group will hold out for more or play chicken with Delta. This one, for the most part, want to end these bonuses early.
10-24-2017, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Mainline pilots are the only ones that could ever stop this and they have no desire to stick their necks out for the JV team.
10-24-2017, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by PT6flyer
No. Read the union email. It was ALL pilots, not pilots allowed to vote. The union has everyone's pay, and 280 are below 83 an hour average. They might be at 82 hours ot 77 hours. You supposition about pilots per year being below 83 hours is incorrect. Do you have the pay numbers? The union does.
Why can't everyone get a raise? Everyone is getting a raise, and except for the super senior, its the same pay raise.
The retention bonuses are ending. The company is giving us those bonuses rolled into pay rates and then moreso.
I get that for a variety of reasons about 10% of the group can't pick up enough times to get at 83 average, that will change as their seniority climbs, or it won't if they choose to drop or call in sick so often they can't be reinbursed their sick time.
100% of the pilot group will lose these bonuses. Some people here want us ALL to risk the bonuses ending and take giant cuts because they think it's funny to watch delta quirm or the company to fail. 90% of us do the same or better and 100% of us get a pay raise.
Maybe another pilot group will hold out for more or play chicken with Delta. This one, for the most part, want to end these bonuses early.
Why can't everyone get a raise? Everyone is getting a raise, and except for the super senior, its the same pay raise.
The retention bonuses are ending. The company is giving us those bonuses rolled into pay rates and then moreso.
I get that for a variety of reasons about 10% of the group can't pick up enough times to get at 83 average, that will change as their seniority climbs, or it won't if they choose to drop or call in sick so often they can't be reinbursed their sick time.
100% of the pilot group will lose these bonuses. Some people here want us ALL to risk the bonuses ending and take giant cuts because they think it's funny to watch delta quirm or the company to fail. 90% of us do the same or better and 100% of us get a pay raise.
Maybe another pilot group will hold out for more or play chicken with Delta. This one, for the most part, want to end these bonuses early.
Last edited by preflight; 10-24-2017 at 09:44 AM. Reason: Date was incorrect
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