Originally Posted by Woger Wabbit

You say you shouldn't generalize and then you kinda generalize by saying 90 percent of the CAs you fly with rely on the autopilot way too much.

I don't think it's that they "can't" handle the workload, but more that they don't "want" to handle it sometimes.

With that said, there's nothing wrong with hand flying, and most shouldn't have a problem with it unless it's some complex RNAV departure that you're doing, or it's the fifth leg of the day and fatigue is maybe setting in. Hopefully you're at least briefing that you're going to do that out of courtesy.

Some day if you're lucky, you'll have racked up many many more hours than you currently have, and then you'll fly with someone with 700 who decides to hand fly it when you're tired and maybe not in the mood for extra work. Then he'll complain on Internet forums that 90 percent of the captains he flies with can't handle something they've been doing for decades. As Barkley and the TNT gang would say...C'mon man.

Originally Posted by V1Rotate95

You shouldn’t generalize. I’m an FO been here a year and a half, have about 700 121 time. 90 percent of the CA’s I fly with rely on the autopilot way too much, to the point where if I choose to hand fly they can’t handle the workload of working the FCP and suggest for me to put the A/P on.


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Originally Posted by vessbot

His own-goal about generalizing aside, I've had roughly the same experience as him.

When they're "not in the mood for the extra work" every single time (no matter which leg of the day it is, how busy/quiet the airspace is, how nice the weather is, etc.) it's concerning. No matter how many hours the other guy has racked up, they don't give me any confidence, as someone riding in the back, if it's all a repetition of the same hour flown by the autopilot until the airplane is configured, on-speed, on localizer, and on glideslope.

(And proficiency and safety aside, isn't flying the airplane at least on a nice day into a quiet airport something one would want to do for enjoyment as a pilot, and not something to have to look for a reason to overcome all the excuses not to?)

Originally Posted by msprj2

Im guessing most of those Captains would say you hand fly to much
in busy terminal situations and they dont want to run the radios, look
for traffic and babysit your hand flying.

Originally Posted by msprj2

Personally I think theres a time and place to hand fly. However if
you suck at it I would think most co-workers would make a comment
about you turning on the a/p. Maybe its you?

Originally Posted by V1Rotate95

Right just like the CA with thousands of hours I fly with can’t get the concept of landing at Ref-5 to 7 knots and floating halfway down the runway, and landing nose level in the 900. But, yet the 2500 hour 24 year old captains, come in on speed and land textbook every time . “Extra work”’ it’s called your job.


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Originally Posted by Swagship

Chance that the 700 fleet won't be as big as thought, and perhaps not even 3 aircraft.

Originally Posted by V1Rotate95

Right just like the CA with thousands of hours I fly with can’t get the concept of landing at Ref-5 to 7 knots and floating halfway down the runway, and landing nose level in the 900. But, yet the 2500 hour 24 year old captains, come in on speed and land textbook every time . “Extra work”’ it’s called your job.


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