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Old 07-05-2017, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FODhopper View Post
I have heard of purchasing a fourth stripe to add to your jacket. Is there a bejewling kit for the hat or must a new one be purchased?
Maybe TW will buy it for you, if you promise to wear it....

But probably not. Good luck with the upgrade.

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Old 07-05-2017, 11:29 AM
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I have heard of purchasing a fourth stripe to add to your jacket. Is there a bejewling kit for the hat or must a new one be purchased?
Have to buy a new hat, is what I came up with. The crewoutfitters one is way nicer than the M&H one...
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Old 07-05-2017, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver View Post
Have to buy a new hat, is what I came up with. The crewoutfitters one is way nicer than the M&H one...
I believe Crew Outfitters carries premier hats which are much nicer than M&H... Basically don't buy anything from M&H.
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
Word I heard was the union came to the company with a plan for the $$$ that the company had said to come with and the company went back on that number and counteroffered with such a lowball amount that the negotiators just walked out. Perhaps we finally have some negotiators that won't just spread the cheeks anymore. Personally I'm looking forward to the bonus expiring and this place watching 75 a month walk again. I'll be one of them walking this time.
If we go back to the old contract without bonus, and with the new Delta contract, the difference in pay between a mainline Cseries FO, and regional 76 seater FO pay, is over $120,000 per year. The Captain gap is even bigger, and all for an additional 25 seats. There has never been a gap that large.
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyKilo View Post
I believe Crew Outfitters carries premier hats which are much nicer than M&H... Basically don't buy anything from M&H.
This.....

M&H sells the worst clothing on Earth. Like they were designed by people who hate pilots.

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Old 07-05-2017, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Urbandrone View Post
You can just quit. You don't have to stay here and openly root for an end you your and thousands of other people's jobs. I want my job, like the company and hope negotiations go well so everyone can have a better job. Thanks for looking forward to my misery.
I'm not rooting for the end of Endeavor, but it seems the only way to get Delta to move is if their back is against a wall. With us finding 60+ a month still showing up to class, they have no motivation to improve things here. If you want contract improvements and a flow it will probably take at the least imminent expiration of the bonus and class sizes less than half of what we are currently seeing. So in that sense, I'm not hoping for Endeavor to fail, I'm hoping the recruitment team stops being very successful. Frankly I'm shocked that so many are still showing up here over any of the AA flow airlines. It'd be a no brainer to me, but I guess we are getting a lot of 50+ year olds that don't care about a flow as they plan to end their career here.
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
I'm not rooting for the end of Endeavor, but it seems the only way to get Delta to move is if their back is against a wall. With us finding 60+ a month still showing up to class, they have no motivation to improve things here. If you want contract improvements and a flow it will probably take at the least imminent expiration of the bonus and class sizes less than half of what we are currently seeing. So in that sense, I'm not hoping for Endeavor to fail, I'm hoping the recruitment team stops being very successful. Frankly I'm shocked that so many are still showing up here over any of the AA flow airlines. It'd be a no brainer to me, but I guess we are getting a lot of 50+ year olds that don't care about a flow as they plan to end their career here.
The older pilots I'm seeing are retired military. And many of them are just here to get current again. I just flew with one guy that's been here a year give or take, and he had interviews with Delta and FedEx. He received offers from both. I believe he was also in the early stages with Southwest and American as well. Guys/gals that are ex military or already have a strong resume don't really care about flow either as they probably can get to a major faster on their own
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Avroman View Post
I'm not rooting for the end of Endeavor, but it seems the only way to get Delta to move is if their back is against a wall. With us finding 60+ a month still showing up to class, they have no motivation to improve things here. If you want contract improvements and a flow it will probably take at the least imminent expiration of the bonus and class sizes less than half of what we are currently seeing. So in that sense, I'm not hoping for Endeavor to fail, I'm hoping the recruitment team stops being very successful. Frankly I'm shocked that so many are still showing up here over any of the AA flow airlines. It'd be a no brainer to me, but I guess we are getting a lot of 50+ year olds that don't care about a flow as they plan to end their career here.
I agree..Those of us that have seen the ugly know what it will take to see improvements. Serious pay improvements. Hopefully the company will grow and change the outdated pay rates/contract soon.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:40 PM
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Mesa is still putting people in classes, as is GoJets. So it's no mystery that we are as well, at least to me.

As for the part in bold, not sure what the classes are looking like today, but when I got hired, I'd estimate the class was about 24% aged 50 or older. About the same percentage was ex-military looking to get current and move on (two have already, perhaps a third).

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I'm not rooting for the end of Endeavor, but it seems the only way to get Delta to move is if their back is against a wall. With us finding 60+ a month still showing up to class, they have no motivation to improve things here. If you want contract improvements and a flow it will probably take at the least imminent expiration of the bonus and class sizes less than half of what we are currently seeing. So in that sense, I'm not hoping for Endeavor to fail, I'm hoping the recruitment team stops being very successful. Frankly I'm shocked that so many are still showing up here over any of the AA flow airlines. It'd be a no brainer to me, but I guess we are getting a lot of 50+ year olds that don't care about a flow as they plan to end their career here.
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Old 07-06-2017, 05:54 AM
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Mesa is still putting people in classes, as is GoJets. So it's no mystery that we are as well, at least to me.

As for the part in bold, not sure what the classes are looking like today, but when I got hired, I'd estimate the class was about 24% aged 50 or older. About the same percentage was ex-military looking to get current and move on (two have already, perhaps a third).
My class is about the same. We have military pilots that have job offers at different majors or are in the process of interviewing.
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