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Old 04-14-2019 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
There might be a reverse flow, as the Delta pilots want better flowback provisions in the next contract. If Delta over hires in the next decade, that might be an issue for guys sticking around here.

LOL have you see the rest of that document? Some of the things in at opening salvo are so completely outside of the realm of reality its impressive. Obviously going for the sticker price trick so their next proposal doesnt look crazy by comparison.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
There might be a reverse flow, as the Delta pilots want better flowback provisions in the next contract. If Delta over hires in the next decade, that might be an issue for guys sticking around here.
If it remained a serious ask, it would be a potential boon for EDV pilots for the company to have a need to negotiate it.

Originally Posted by EDVPLT
Would that not require an agreement between our union?
It would, and EDV pilots would be right to expect an actual flow up in that case IMO, although it's possible something else could be offered that would be palatable. I don't really think they will put a lot of effort into getting it though in the current environment.


I do find it interesting that having to do an interview is considered hazing now though. As far as I can tell, AA is the only major that even has a real flow. I would like to see higher rates for the DGI, but I don't think the concept of a guaranteed interview is a horrible thing in and of itself.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I do find it interesting that having to do an interview is considered hazing now though.
When you already work for the wholly owned subsidiary, doing a cog test, job knowledge test, and psych screen serves no purpose than hazing. If you don't have the cognitive ability, the job knowledge, or are psychologically unfit, you have no business flying for 9E either. All the other wholly owned regionals have flow, we have a coin flip.

As I've said before, I have no problem with some sort of screening process before going to mainline, but give us defined, merit based metrics. Not three BS tests and a popularity contest of a panel.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
When you already work for the wholly owned subsidiary, doing a cog test, job knowledge test, and psych screen serves no purpose than hazing. If you don't have the cognitive ability, the job knowledge, or are psychologically unfit, you have no business flying for 9E either. All the other wholly owned regionals have flow, we have a coin flip.

As I've said before, I have no problem with some sort of screening process before going to mainline, but give us defined, merit based metrics. Not three BS tests and a popularity contest of a panel.
We do the same job etc. but there is considerably more liability involved with a fully loaded A330 versus a CRJ. I want career progression too, but I can also understand their desire to control who they trust with that liability.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
cog test, job knowledge test, and psych screen

Does 9E administer these tests to their interviewees?



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Old 04-14-2019 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Meow1215
Not happening, the merit is: apply, prep, and interview. DAL has 10,000 apps on file - there will not be a flow.
Yes Mr. Delta CEO.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
All the other wholly owned regionals have flow, we have a coin flip.
Alaska has an interview, and they just added restrictions for those with CJO's through that program that may substantially lengthen time to movement. United is an interview but they aren't wholly owned. Anyone other than American wholly owned they you have in mind? American alone doesn't determine industry norms.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by GuardPolice
Does 9E administer these tests to their interviewees?



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Maybe they should.
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Old 04-14-2019 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Shadre Reevis
We do the same job etc. but there is considerably more liability involved with a fully loaded A330 versus a CRJ. I want career progression too, but I can also understand their desire to control who they trust with that liability.
The real liability is having a bunch of guys that were turned down by Delta still flying at an airline wholly owned by Delta. If, God forbid, we have a crash, imagine how that will play out in the media circus and court of public opinion. What do you mean Delta turned those pilots down because they failed a job knowledge/cognitive screen/psych test? That would be a PR nightmare for the ATL overlords.

Hopefully the other AA WOs follow PSAs lead. Hopefully they exceed our rates and our recruiters struggle. Then DAL might throw another carrot (banana?) our way. Until then, Jeep making your podium announcements and wear that hat. Oh yeah, latency too!
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Old 04-14-2019 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Needles
The real liability is having a bunch of guys that were turned down by Delta still flying at an airline wholly owned by Delta. If, God forbid, we have a crash, imagine how that will play out in the media circus and court of public opinion. What do you mean Delta turned those pilots down because they failed a job knowledge/cognitive screen/psych test? That would be a PR nightmare for the ATL overlords.

This thought process is easily debunked by the fact that Delta is looking for employees, not just pilots. It wouldn’t be difficult to argue that while they weren’t a good employment fit for mainline, they could have easily thrived at Endeavor. Needless to say, I don’t think this particular argument holds any weight.



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