I've asked several Delta pilots about this. Every one that I've gotten a reply from #1 isn't in or from ATL and #2 says Delta is 2 airlines, ATL and everywhere else. We didn't exactly get a warm welcome from the SLC guys either back in the day.

 

That's weird because I've never had any DCI pilot say hi either in ATL so from my experience this complaint is a two way street.


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It's not whining. Just stating the facts. Its not even about the flow, its about our ALPA brothers/sisters at big brother Delta. How could we
possibly get a flow when Mgt. and the pilots at Delta are against it.

It appears to me that our "DCI",biggest hurdle are the pilots at Delta.

 

Ahh yes. I love when someone drops an insult on the internet, yet doesn't know the difference between "wine," the alcoholic beverage, and "whine," the act of complaining.

 

I'll ask again since you said this again and didn't answer this question earlier. Has Delta ALPA been approached by management with an LOA for any formal flow program recently? If not then it's management that hasn't brought the subject up. You're looking for a straw man in the wrong places. Management hires our employees not Delta pilots. They have decided a pure flow is not in the cards right now.

My only resentment towards your argument is that you truly think Delta pilots have any control over this. Any flow implemented in the coming years just adds pilots behind those currently on mainline's list. In the grand scheme of things it means nothing to us.


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OK you and others have had some good replies. (no sarcasm). Mainline relinquish scope which allows mainline flying at the regionals. It has been said or inferred that you want to have control over your product or a good fit. How can you have that or say that when your regional partners haven't been through DAL hiring? If you truly want to have control why not just level the playing field and have one standard of hiring for all where DAL does all the hiring? It shouldn't matter anyway at Endeavor since DAL does everything else. Then you or DAL would have no reason to not have a flow. This antiquated system was never meant to be like this. You definitely cannot blame this on regional pilots. We didn't force you to give up your flying. But mainline pilots could have at least maintained control of who gets hired through the same system and hiring if the equipment being operated has your companies name on it. You mainline pilots didn't. Easier to get the bigger paycheck allowing this 2 class abysmal system to happen.

 

The success rate using the last published numbers from the union was over 65% in first and second interviews. It also wasn't a coin toss. Most folks who were humble and understood this was an opportunity not a job offer before they walked in have the job. Once in a while I find a guy who was given the double no that makes me scratch my head, but most of the time it made sense.

I do think that out union may have sold the SSP to the pilot group as a handshake interview, this accounts for a slow start and some resentment from senior pilots. Maybe our union should have asked a few more questions about how this process was going to work so pilots would have been better prepared.

Anyway the point is the SSP was successful, hundreds of pilots are leaving, this is creating movement and opportunity for new pilots at Endeavor. I talk to guys every day at work who are moving to Delta. They are thankful and happy, they no longer participate in these forums because they don't need to worry about the EDV rumor mill. That is why we see such a skewed view of the SSP on this message board, most of the people commenting didn't make the cut.

I would expect the DGI to have the same results, if you understand the interview is an opportunity, you study hard, you are thankful for the opportunity, you treat the interviewers with the same respect you did the interviews at Endeavor you will get the job. If you don't you will not. We most remember that Delta did give us the opportunity to extend the SSP through the USSP only adding the 2 year captain clause and the union turned this down without letting the pilot group vote in hopes of forcing a flow. Thankfully Delta decided to give us something similar it to us anyway.

 

Thank you for taking time to write this post. As usual, most forums are dominated by the naysayers. You gave counterbalance to the standard argument that the SSP was largely a failure. I doubt it is a failure otherwise Delta would've put the kibosh on the program long ago.

Lastly, you hit the nail on the head. Success in any interview is based almost solely on how one presents themselves to their prospective employer. What you said in the highlighted text above can't be more true.

 

Is it an insult or an observation? If they spent their time working for a goal rather than complaining what would happen?

 

I don't think most Delta guys are against a flow. They just don't care. The same way you would not care.