Originally Posted by sflpilot

One point on the previous reference to the regionals being akin to minor-league baseball. In the minors the standards of performance are much lower than the major leagues. However in the regional airlines the expectations are the same as mainline. You operate at the same standard of performance out of the same airports they do and are held to the same standards on checkrides. Many regional guys and ladies don't like to hear this but the only difference between both sides of the industry is you are doing it for C scale rates. Most people defend the stepping stone system that is in place only until they are rejected by mainline then realizing that the entire thing is basically a scam.

Originally Posted by gloopy

Some fighter pilot squadron commanders get passed up too. No group has a 100% success rate, and every group has a few who didn't get hired who probably should have gotten hired. And that includes those who prepared well.

But its no secret that many of the SSP candidates (at least initially) walked in (ridiculously) thinking it was just a good old boy, buddy roe, "grin and grip" and that's just asinine.

Again, I never said that if you prepare well, you will have a 100% chance of getting the job. That's never the case. But if the average is around 2/3, and we know there are some who don't take it seriously and some who have attitudes, its safe to say that if you do take it seriously and don't have an attitude, your odds will be above the average.

As for the draining of pilots issue, there's two sides to that coin. On the one hand they need to provide an incentive to get pilots to go and stay there (for a while at least) and on the other hand they, like you said, can't just gut the operation instantly into oblivion. Also though, they want good pilots and good people to work with from all sources.

I'm all for a viable path from EDV to DAL, but its never going to be 100%. And no one is ever going to be "shafted" or whatever because they weren't hired by DL or anywhere else.

While no one knows what the future of this segment of the industry will hold, I think its safe to say there likely won't ever be a pure 100% flow at DL. But when you start out with a 2/3 success rate, and can increase those odds by preparing hard and having a good attitude, that's pretty darn good IMO.

Originally Posted by Yumyum

I agree with you on that. I just wanted to point out that most 9E candidates studied their arse off and prepared big time for that interview.

Originally Posted by gloopy

I'm sure most did, and continue to do so. And most get hired.

Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta

No employee is deserving until they are hired by a company they want to work for. The lines between Endeavor and Delta are clear. They are separate companies so I'd think twice about copping an attitude of feeling deserving of something you haven't earned by interviewing. If anything your sense of entitlement is misdirected. It should be pointed at management. They are in control of this, not the pilots. Unless of course you have concrete evidence DALPA told management to stuff it when approached with a flow LOA. To my knowledge that hasn't happened.

I flew US Air passengers for almost a decade for ZW. I never felt entitled to a job at Airways because of it. Has it crossed your mind that maybe the attitude you seem to be portraying is the attitude Delta doesn't want in its employees?

Lastly, don't take any of this to mean I'm not in support of a flow. It certainly has its advantages. However, as of right now, this is Delta's philosophy and there's no sense in crying in your Cheerio's over something you have no control over.


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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Funny how the American/USAir/AWest pilots think the flows are excellent and think that mainline American should be taking more flows. And I'm pretty sure they were all hired through an interview. Are Delta pilots somehow superior to them? It is after all the exact same job. No one at a WO regional (be it Endevaor or one of the AAG WOs) feels we "deserve" a job at mainline. But let's be real here. When someone buys a ticket on Delta or American, and the flight gets flown by their regional subsidiary, why are those pilots "good enough" to fly YOUR passengers at their regional under your brand, but not on your actual airplanes? The SSP that Endeavor has with Delta turns down many qualified applicants. Sometimes twice. But hey, it's okay, they can still fly your passengers around under your brand who bought tickets to fly on your airline. Sounds a little ludicrous doesn't it? I'm glad the culture at American isn't like that.