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Old 10-04-2021, 03:50 PM
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Would the contract allow new E175s with limited seating to the E170 level of 70 seats or so (similar to the GoJet CRJ550 limited to 50 seat)?

Yes, PDT has (according to my sources) 57 E145s. Interesting 40 of them are already over 20 years old, older than the average E145 Envoy flies. The rest are 16-18 years old.
Not sure all the EXACT ins and outs of the AA scope limitations, but the CRJ-550s required a recertification to lower the number of seats, as well as MGTOW. Not sure if the AA scope “small” RJ definition includes a weight limitation, or a “certificate” limitation on seats, but just taking out seats doesn’t lower the operating cost, although I have heard that it costs as much to operate a 145 as it does a 175, but I guess it depends how you define “operating cost”. A 145 certainly burns a little less gas and one less flight attendant, but as soon as you put that 51st seat on you have to add back in a second FA.
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Old 10-04-2021, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
Would the contract allow new E175s with limited seating to the E170 level of 70 seats or so (similar to the GoJet CRJ550 limited to 50 seat)?

Yes, PDT has (according to my sources) 57 E145s. Interesting 40 of them are already over 20 years old, older than the average E145 Envoy flies. The rest are 16-18 years old.
I was told by someone that we sent our worst 145s to PDT. I had to chuckle a bit at that. They may not want any more from us. lol
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Old 10-04-2021, 06:56 PM
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I was told by someone that we sent our worst 145s to PDT. I had to chuckle a bit at that. They may not want any more from us. lol
They may not, but they won’t have a choice if that’s what AAG decides to do. I still think that at some time they will have to absorb PDT into PSA. If they don’t take the ENY hand me downs, it will be sooner rather than later.
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Old 10-04-2021, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
Would the contract allow new E175s with limited seating to the E170 level of 70 seats or so (similar to the GoJet CRJ550 limited to 50 seat)?

Yes, PDT has (according to my sources) 57 E145s. Interesting 40 of them are already over 20 years old, older than the average E145 Envoy flies. The rest are 16-18 years old.
SkyWest has been operating (subbing) 65 seat CRJ9s in PHX for a while now, I don’t see why anyone couldn’t do 65 seat 175s.

Republic still has a lot of 170s for United that could find their way to American ops on the east coast. Envoy’s strategy seems to be “collect the biggest hodge podge of 170s we can”.
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Old 10-05-2021, 07:49 AM
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The skw e175's for aag are new from factory in 65 or 64 seats and they within scope. So there is a way but aag want e170's rather than pay for new e175 in 65 seats
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
The skw e175's for aag are new from factory in 65 or 64 seats and they within scope. So there is a way but aag want e170's rather than pay for new e175 in 65 seats
Looking at a seat map for LAX-SMF on SkyWest and their 175 has 76 seats on it.
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Old 10-05-2021, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast View Post
I was told by someone that we sent our worst 145s to PDT. I had to chuckle a bit at that. They may not want any more from us. lol
The E145 jet hand me downs were an upgrade to the all turboprop fleet PDT was flying.
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Old 10-05-2021, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude View Post
They may not, but they won’t have a choice if that’s what AAG decides to do. I still think that at some time they will have to absorb PDT into PSA. If they don’t take the ENY hand me downs, it will be sooner rather than later.
if AAG plan is to be consistent (which is a big if), wouldn’t it make better sense for PDT to be absorbed by Envoy? Both would still have a handful of E145s remaining for airports that just won’t support the larger jets.
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Old 10-05-2021, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
The skw e175's for aag are new from factory in 65 or 64 seats and they within scope. So there is a way but aag want e170's rather than pay for new e175 in 65 seats
Their 175s are 76 seats. 20 76 seat Mesa -900s were removed and replaced by the SkyWest 175s.
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Originally Posted by TransWorld View Post
if AAG plan is to be consistent (which is a big if), wouldn’t it make better sense for PDT to be absorbed by Envoy? Both would still have a handful of E145s remaining for airports that just won’t support the larger jets.
From that perspective, yes, but I foresee all the ENY 145s (eventually) going to PDT. PDT and PSA together are roughly the same size as ENY. I don’t think AAG would let a WO get as big as ENY and PDT together would be which is why I say PDT and PSA. Plus they both already share a MX base and both do ground services. Not sure the size of that operation for all the different WOs, but it is a bigger part of all three companies.
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