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Old 05-07-2022, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
ORD 175 has less flying than MIA 175.
While marginally true, overall ORD has more flying and Envoy and AAG have shown a willingness to pull out of a base.

Of course, obviously PDT and PSA have much smaller bases, so one never knows and the rumors of RPA moving back into MIA haven’t come to pass, yet.

But either way, the willingness and resignation of the Envoy management team to have basically thrown in the towel and just allow the company to shrink is disturbing. There is a core of lifers that will be at Envoy to the bitter end, but even that group is shrinking and while a lot of them are in training, there’s not ENOUGH of them to sustain things. The incipient stage of the death spiral is upon Envoy.
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Old 05-07-2022, 05:53 AM
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Any numbers given on how many DECs hired vs lost? How many upgrades? I assume LCAs are bailing like a wildfire too.
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Old 05-08-2022, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
ORD 175 has less flying than MIA 175.
The goal is prob gonna be DFW and MIA w 1600ishh pilots in the end. We are overstaffed
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Old 05-08-2022, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Chato View Post
The goal is prob gonna be DFW and MIA w 1600ishh pilots in the end. We are overstaffed
Saying there is a goal would suggest there is a plan.
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Old 05-08-2022, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
Saying there is a goal would suggest there is a plan.
The only plan is an un-plan. Not do anything and let the wheels fall off.

Or wing tips…

Too soon?
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Old 05-09-2022, 07:42 AM
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The plan is get a new job and watch this ship sink from FL380 making 3-10x as much with more days off and a real contract. Stick to the plan.
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Old 05-09-2022, 11:34 AM
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Are orientations then wait for indoc still a thing or is it straight to class now?
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Old 05-09-2022, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by planejoe View Post
Are orientations then wait for indoc still a thing or is it straight to class now?
about 2 month wait from orientation to indoc right now
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Old 05-09-2022, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by planejoe View Post
Are orientations then wait for indoc still a thing or is it straight to class now?
There’s a wait, I’m not entirely sure how long. NH classes are approximately 15 people, every two weeks.
Envoy is shrinking rapidly, the average net loss is 63 pilots per month since Jan 1st. I’d recommended going elsewhere, if you can.
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Old 05-09-2022, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by enyPSIsc2b View Post
There’s a wait, I’m not entirely sure how long. NH classes are approximately 15 people, every two weeks.
Envoy is shrinking rapidly, the average net loss is 63 pilots per month since Jan 1st. I’d recommended going elsewhere, if you can.
Not that there aren’t better options elsewhere, there were before COVID even that had nothing to do with attrition. But aren’t all the regionals experiencing net losses right now?
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