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CptnDave 03-12-2021 09:11 PM


Originally Posted by Tpinks (Post 3206369)
which is?


fillllerrr

They’re hiring off the street right now, and somehow we have guys sitting around doing nothing.

NoValueAviator 03-13-2021 07:59 AM

We’ve always been better staffed than Piedmont or PSA thanks to west coast flow bots.

CptnDave 03-13-2021 05:30 PM

Didn't realize THKool-Aid got banned. I was starting to wonder where's he's been here justifying why we have 220+ pilots doing nothing and countless CJO's & cadets doing nothing while other WO's hire Randoms off the street.

CLE to IAH 03-13-2021 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3206750)
Didn't realize THKool-Aid got banned. I was starting to wonder where's he's been here justifying why we have 220+ pilots doing nothing and countless CJO's & cadets doing nothing while other WO's hire Randoms off the street.

banned again*

i was pleasantly surprised to hear about that during my most recent peepee slap for naming the protected one by name..... he who shan’t be named.... Lord BlueFalcoMort..... the “victim”


actually.... that piques my interest. If I’m referring to Lord Bluefalcomort, cant I just abbreviate that with LB?

I guess I’ll find out soon enough. Perhaps you’ll get to meet CLE 2 IAH soon....

highfarfast 03-13-2021 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3206756)
banned again*

i was pleasantly surprised to hear about that during my most recent peepee slap for naming the protected one by name..... he who shan’t be named.... Lord BlueFalcoMort..... the “victim”


actually.... that piques my interest. If I’m referring to Lord Bluefalcomort, cant I just abbreviate that with LB?

I guess I’ll find out soon enough. Perhaps you’ll get to meet CLE 2 IAH soon....

lol, I like your style, man.

SomePilotDude 03-14-2021 09:06 AM

Crews, make sure your fellow crewmember Lands by B in Dallas when they are doing LAHSO ops.

CLE to IAH 03-15-2021 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by SomePilotDude (Post 3206924)
Crews, make sure your fellow crewmember Lands by B in Dallas when they are doing LAHSO ops.

at least gimme the cred 😂😃

aewhistleblower 03-15-2021 07:58 AM

I’ve heard from someone that Chicago is coming back with 100 lines in the coming months. I guess things are picking back up

Sasquatched 03-15-2021 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3207260)
I’ve heard from someone that Chicago is coming back with 100 lines in the coming months. I guess things are picking back up

“Someone” sounds like a good source. I guess this is APC after all.

Cyio 03-15-2021 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3207260)
I’ve heard from someone that Chicago is coming back with 100 lines in the coming months. I guess things are picking back up

I wouldn't be "blown away" if such a thing was true, but it won't surprise me if it is less than that as well. I am trying to remember back to the good times of 2019 and I "think" I remember a month with over 150 lines in ORD. It would be a big leap from 26-100, but who knows.

I hope it is true.

FltCtrlNoDsptch 03-15-2021 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3205370)
Fair enough for sure, but Spirit is also hiring 400 this year alone, so 20-30 a month. Not saying all are coming from Envoy, but I imagine we have a fair bit of applicants in that pool.

If Envoy secured just 1/5 of the current openings, that's 100 pilots off what I would assume is the top of the seniority list. Is that a ton, no certainly not, but it is start.

Why would an Envoy pilot apply at Spirit when they went to Envoy for the FFFLLLLOOOOOWWWWWWWWW. Not working out as planned? 😂

Cyio 03-15-2021 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3207294)
Why would an Envoy pilot apply at Spirit when they went to Envoy for the FFFLLLLOOOOOWWWWWWWWW. Not working out as planned? 😂

Spirit has a ton of upsides for the right pilots only made even more attractive due to COVID.

Throwitaway 03-15-2021 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3207294)
Why would an Envoy pilot apply at Spirit when they went to Envoy for the FFFLLLLOOOOOWWWWWWWWW. Not working out as planned? 😂

That's a really good point! Especially for an aspiring pilot social media influencer, you could settle for spirit and increase your chances of being in their next viral video!

The typical spirit experience! Where everyone is group 9!

CptnDave 03-15-2021 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3207274)
I wouldn't be "blown away" if such a thing was true, but it won't surprise me if it is less than that as well. I am trying to remember back to the good times of 2019 and I "think" I remember a month with over 150 lines in ORD. It would be a big leap from 26-100, but who knows.

I hope it is true.

Not that it's a super accurate indication of our flying, but if you go to travel planner and look at a typical 175 rout out of ORD like TUL, We have like one daily departure this month, Next month there's two operated by RAH, but the month after there's 3 operated by Envoy then the following month 4. Obviously things could change but I'm optimistic flying will increase in ORD this summer.

Cyio 03-15-2021 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3207326)
Not that it's a super accurate indication of our flying, but if you go to travel planner and look at a typical 175 rout out of ORD like TUL, We have like one daily departure this month, Next month there's two operated by RAH, but the month after there's 3 operated by Envoy then the following month 4. Obviously things could change but I'm optimistic flying will increase in ORD this summer.

Thats great news and I would assume it to be fairly accurate. I mean AA has future bookings information that we certainly dont. I hope for all the ORD pilots that it works out.

dera 03-15-2021 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3207294)
Why would an Envoy pilot apply at Spirit when they went to Envoy for the FFFLLLLOOOOOWWWWWWWWW. Not working out as planned? 😂

What about us who went to Envoy because it was the best fit, not because of the flow?

CLE to IAH 03-15-2021 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by FltCtrlNoDsptch (Post 3207294)
Why would an Envoy pilot apply at Spirit when they went to Envoy for the FFFLLLLOOOOOWWWWWWWWW. Not working out as planned? 😂

as dera said, I chose envoy because it was the right fit for me and I’m glad that I did. I don’t have a ton of negative things to say outside of how terrible the reserve rules were and how I hated sitting airport standby but I knew that going in so..... eh.

all that said, at my age, I was never there for the flow. It’s a good thing I wasn’t, because I have friends that had flow class dates cancelled a year ago that are still at envoy waiting. That means that my 6 to 9 year flow depending on what line of thinking you choose to believe became a 7 to 10 year flow.

Spirit was my first choice and really my only choice. I am glad every day that I made the jump. The work rules and reserve rules are unbelievable, the flying is what I want (no desire to fly WB) and the people are cool as heck. Everywhere we go, I am one flight from home and our lack of a traditional hub/spoke structure is fun. There is definitely a culture associated with this company and I see that in the captains that I fly with. we brief and harp on the same things that every other airline briefs and harps on but for some reason the flying just feels a little bit more laid-back.



i dunno. To each their own but I can tell you I’ve written some letters for SEVERAL AA WO pilots so far....my very first month holding a line I had a true 18-day off line without even touching it. The ability to drop and pick up out of any base gives you complete freedom to build your schedule however you like it

I think I chose correctly and my home life
agrees.

Best of luck to anyone else trying to come aboard. If you want to be here, we want you here. If you turn your nose up at us, that’s cool too.

Cyio 03-15-2021 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3207417)
as dera said, I chose envoy because it was the right fit for me and I’m glad that I did. I don’t have a ton of negative things to say outside of how terrible the reserve rules were and how I hated sitting airport standby but I knew that going in so..... eh.

all that said, at my age, I was never there for the flow. It’s a good thing I wasn’t, because I have friends that had flow class dates cancelled a year ago that are still at envoy waiting. That means that my 6 to 9 year flow depending on what line of thinking you choose to believe became a 7 to 10 year flow.

Spirit was my first choice and really my only choice. I am glad every day that I made the jump. The work rules and reserve rules are unbelievable, the flying is what I want (no desire to fly WB) and the people are cool as heck. Everywhere we go, I am one flight from home and our lack of a traditional hub/spoke structure is fun. There is definitely a culture associated with this company and I see that in the captains that I fly with. we brief and harp on the same things that every other airline briefs and harps on but for some reason the flying just feels a little bit more laid-back.



i dunno. To each their own but I can tell you I’ve written some letters for SEVERAL AA WO pilots so far....my very first month holding a line I had a true 18-day off line without even touching it. The ability to drop and pick up out of any base gives you complete freedom to build your schedule however you like it

I think I chose correctly and my home life
agrees.

Best of luck to anyone else trying to come aboard. If you want to be here, we want you here. If you turn your nose up at us, that’s cool too.

I honestly can’t wait.

aircraft callin 03-16-2021 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by CLE to IAH (Post 3207417)
as dera said, I chose envoy because it was the right fit for me and I’m glad that I did. I don’t have a ton of negative things to say outside of how terrible the reserve rules were and how I hated sitting airport standby but I knew that going in so..... eh.



all that said, at my age, I was never there for the flow. It’s a good thing I wasn’t, because I have friends that had flow class dates cancelled a year ago that are still at envoy waiting. That means that my 6 to 9 year flow depending on what line of thinking you choose to believe became a 7 to 10 year flow.



Spirit was my first choice and really my only choice. I am glad every day that I made the jump. The work rules and reserve rules are unbelievable, the flying is what I want (no desire to fly WB) and the people are cool as heck. Everywhere we go, I am one flight from home and our lack of a traditional hub/spoke structure is fun. There is definitely a culture associated with this company and I see that in the captains that I fly with. we brief and harp on the same things that every other airline briefs and harps on but for some reason the flying just feels a little bit more laid-back.







i dunno. To each their own but I can tell you I’ve written some letters for SEVERAL AA WO pilots so far....my very first month holding a line I had a true 18-day off line without even touching it. The ability to drop and pick up out of any base gives you complete freedom to build your schedule however you like it



I think I chose correctly and my home life

agrees.



Best of luck to anyone else trying to come aboard. If you want to be here, we want you here. If you turn your nose up at us, that’s cool too.



Speaking of Spirit, anyone hear back yet on their app since the window opened back up last month?

Cyio 03-16-2021 04:09 PM


Originally Posted by aircraft callin (Post 3207874)
Speaking of Spirit, anyone hear back yet on their app since the window opened back up last month?

Yes, but it is mostly people that had their apps in prior to lockdown, so late 2019 to early 2020.

CptnDave 03-17-2021 07:35 AM

Several CRJ 900s are being placed in service to support AA operations.

Memo just went out to SkyWest pilots about 900’s being placed in Dallas. We’re getting the shaft.

pitchattitude 03-17-2021 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by CptnDave (Post 3208139)
Several CRJ 900s are being placed in service to support AA operations.

Memo just went out to SkyWest pilots about 900’s being placed in Dallas. We’re getting the shaft.

That was announced a while back. They have something like 30 of them they already owned that they inked a deal with AAG to fly. That’s in addition to the 25 175s they are purchasing. The CRJs were announced while PSA still had planes parked and pilots not being used. Obviously Envoy still has pilots not being used and still have several more 175s at AVQ and new planes that were sold to RAH. The six that went to RAH are being substituted for the 170s that are coming, but that is still all flying that could be done by the WOs. The big issue here is that SKW is growing at a time when the WOs have already lost flying to RAH and are now loosing more.

captive apple 03-17-2021 08:03 AM

Those are spares for reliability as the previously mentioned 700s come on-line

aewhistleblower 03-26-2021 01:12 PM

Giant TC will be missed. Thanks for your service!

Dougweiser 03-28-2021 07:14 AM

More threats from management
 
“Just a reminder. Make sure you follow the face mask policy or else you will be fired” -envoy management

pitchattitude 03-28-2021 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Dougweiser (Post 3212483)
“Just a reminder. Make sure you follow the face mask policy or else you will be fired” -envoy management

To be fair, the latest threat DID come from inflight.

ClappedOut145 03-28-2021 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Dougweiser (Post 3212483)
“Just a reminder. Make sure you follow the face mask policy or else you will be fired” -envoy management

Unfortunately via the CDC and executive order, the current administration has made it the rule of the land. The minute you walk into the terminal you are subjected to it. Cooperate to graduate.

buddies8 03-28-2021 01:54 PM

I can't understand what your saying with that fn mask on.

MochaSwirl 03-28-2021 08:42 PM

[QUOTE=buddies8;3212602]I can't understand what your saying with that fn mask on.

martyByrde 03-31-2021 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3211899)
Giant TC will be missed. Thanks for your service!

I bet he quits Atlas and returns to Envoy, change my mind.

aewhistleblower 04-01-2021 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by martyByrde (Post 3214361)
I bet he quits Atlas and returns to Envoy, change my mind.

I think you’re right, it’s a very thoughtful plan.
I withdrew my statement since it was brought to my attention his union paid leave from July until September.

ClappedOut145 04-01-2021 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by martyByrde (Post 3214361)
I bet he quits Atlas and returns to Envoy, change my mind.

Just saw him at DFW and asked about it. His RE is in the system.

aewhistleblower 04-01-2021 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3214563)
Just saw him at DFW and asked about it. His RE is in the system.

Glad he did the right thing

Dera, do you have any other lie to say to us?

As I have said before, you’re full of shi+

dera 04-01-2021 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3214574)
Glad he did the right thing

Dera, do you have any other lie to say to us?

As I have said before, you’re full of shi+

​​​What was the lie, sorry Im not following you.

dera 04-01-2021 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3214470)
I think you’re right, it’s a very thoughtful plan.
I withdrew my statement since it was brought to my attention his union paid leave from July until September.

And this is where you are full of it. It was never a paid leave. you just make sht up.

aewhistleblower 04-01-2021 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3214603)
​​​What was the lie, sorry Im not following you.

Did you already forget the LOA, union leave, section 18 debacle? You were swearing that he was exercising his rights under section 18.

dera 04-01-2021 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by aewhistleblower (Post 3214648)
Did you already forget the LOA, union leave, section 18 debacle? You were swearing that he was exercising his rights under section 18.

He was. He changed his mind. Ask him instead of guessing and spreading false rumors.

Swakid8 04-01-2021 06:18 PM

He will not regret moving on and giving up the flow. Once he checks the WB and Intl boxes as well, I am sure he will end up on a mainline seniority list somewhere quicker than then flow...

Cyio 04-01-2021 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3214958)
Hate to derail this thread away from the TC jealousy circle jerk y’all have going, but have y’all seen the Email to the furloughs that were LGA based?

Nope. Care to fill us in?


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