naw, I enjoy my career and life exactly as it is. They couldn’t afford me full time.

then they aren’t adequately delegating tasks as well as they used to, or the committee chairmen aren’t staffing and training their committees fully. The best MEC chairmen were good people managers. Getting enough subject matter experts to delegate things to made it a different job.

With technology the way it is, it shutdowns be much easier to hold regular MEC committee meetings on Zoom to keep them involved and working. The best we had was teleconferencing and it was just starting to have software to let us push out a PowerPoint slideshow. Now the stuff like Adobe connect is amazing. Zoom style video conference window, desktop for papers, powerpoints, videos whatever, chat window, instant message, all on one screen at once. It’s good stuff.

That's exactly what I mean to imply lol

I prefer that over giving things away for a tweak job.

Well stated. For me at least, it's entirely possible that watching management get mad AF would be a bigger value added than what we've gotten over the last couple years.

Yep, they’d certainly do that; and we’d be suing them and holding public press conferences about the mismanagement, incompetence, mistreatment of employees... topped off by refusing to bargain in good faith as required by law.

You’ve got good people there now; but the ones expressing interest in the job thus far shouldn’t be the only options. You have a complete full CBA negotiation in 2024 and making Envoy the best career possible should be the primary goal, not flow. The company will build/fix flow all on their own when/if they can’t get pilots. So, don’t waste negotiating capital fixing their recruitment program.

seriously, start talking with your senior pilots that aren’t planning to leave. Get one that won’t mind 100 hrs pay credit with only 20 Hrs fly back actually requested. You’d be surprised how many would be interested but just don’t know the process to run for the office. It’s actually much easier than being elected a CA or FO rep. There is none of the ALPA nominations, ballots and stuff like that.
I’d encourage the senior CA’s to consider taking on the job. If interested, call the chairman and talk with him. He can’t nominate or vote, but he can walk you through the process. His recommendation will carry a great deal of weight; as it should.

as a senior lifer it might be nice to have some administrative leadership experience on the resume for the post 65 retirement job....

https://i.imgflip.com/4zq8gm.jpg

stop waiting; start recruiting

It's a godawful job. I wouldn't do it. Less pay, 24/7 on call, no 5 week vacation benefits with DTS.

Would that be a good pitch for it?

I started to just ignore your post but I wanted to sincerely thank you for your service. Sounds like you had some close calls there and I appreciate the service to our country.

Yes, I have only a military background but as I said, it's more than many out there have and I have been on the wrong side of tracers coming at me, blanks of course, but the pucker factor is high. I'm actually proud of having the background that I do and feel I can very closely relate to those who have served before.

I don't have a problem with you but I do suggest that around any veteran you keep your experiences to yourself. In a room full of teens who play Call of Duty it may carry some sway but in the company of combat veterans it will get you the cold shoulder every time. Not a criticism just friendly advice.

I take a hard line against any attempt at Stolen Valor and virtual/pretend warriors are a problem. Here, I think Kooj mainly went wrong in the wording. Military background connotes real experience, and it shouldn’t be used as a ruse to exaggerate knowledge and insight. As long as people aren’t lying/exaggerating and recognize the difference between pretending and reality, I’m ok with the attempt at camaraderie. I’ve actually been impressed with the technical knowledge of the DCS crowd, but that doesn’t lead me to believe their computer time means they’ve “been there.” He seems to stop short of claiming anything like that, so maybe he could find a better way of pointing his re-enactments rather than referring to a military background.

you won’t know until you try. They may be getting 92 hour lines now, but that isn’t always the case. I remember years where 72 was good. If you didn’t bid the conflicts, you didn’t eat. A guaranteed 100 and cherry picking the 20 hrs you’d like isn’t a bad gig.

as a pretty senior FO, you’re in a good position to ask the senior CA’s you’re already flying and familiar with.
There’s also the occasional FO who lives near DFW and never plans to leave Envoy. Too old to flow and start over. They’d be a good grab too.

Explain to me “blank tracers...” :confused:

Blanks with tracers? Yep he’s delusional.

he’s got them patent pending apparently.

Doubling down on the costumed role play, eh?

Look, there's an unspoken, and perfectly justifiable, divide between dudes with a combat patch and those without one in the service. However, even dudes who somehow never deployed since 2001 still went down to MEPS one day and put their hand in the air to volunteer during wartime. Like the others have said, it's probably best not to play up your civilian OPFOR role play because that isn't remotely in the same league.

He clearly had a roman candle fight in his backyard with his uncle Donny and cousin Rico. His PTSD is tied to that.

That’s some no-joke warfare! I had a roman candle blow up in my hand one time as a kid! I got some serious PTSD from that. There’s a reason the directions say to stick it in the ground lol. (I sincerely hope the sarcasm is evident here and yet I will not hold a Roman candle ever again!)

It is a really great movie. Very satirical. You should watch it.

ORD 175 base closing??
 

Anyone heard these rumors of the Chicago base closing? Apparently AAG wants us to focus on the new DC and PHX routes and they are planning to move most of the 175s to Dallas and planning for more growth in MIA. Republic and Skywest taking over most of the 76 seat flying in ORD... with the 175 line count already low in ORD their is no sense in keeping a 175 base there. Not sure if these rumors are true but I’ve heard them from a couple of people now.

My experience has been that if the rumor f u c k s over envoy crews, put them in financial distress and keep them away from their loved ones then you can bet on it happening. Kinda like you can bet on the sun coming up every day.

It makes sense,specially because Chicago is still in a lockdown. Lori Lighfoot won’t open the city anytime soon. And honestly, I’m ok with that. Let Republic and SkyPest deal with the cold weather while we have warm overnights in the Caribbean. I can also see us putting the 145s in CLT, which would be a good opportunity to collect those 10 extra hours during the opening of a base. Vasu Raja has already said that DFW and CLT are AA’s focus cities during the pandemic.

We've heard rumors of our (OO) AA 175s going to LAX, PHX, or ORD at the end of the year...whatever AA's plan is pilots will be the last to know. I think the "new" (super old) 700s are going to DFW/ORD/PHX beginning in March.

And that's why from peak 159 line's to a whopping 25 line's in april on the e175

On the bright side the ord people won’t have to deal with the nastiness of MR and his team.

Warm overnights in the Caribbean are great until the FAA bans us from flying there due to too many runway excursions

In fairness I don’t think Envoy has a lock on the excursion problem. Nor is it a regional issue. Good news though - no snow in the Caribbean. No mention of PSA or Mesa.

He can’t be any worse than is predecessor.

It’s like comparing thrash with garbage

Why the hell would you put 145s in Charlotte when 75% of piedmont’s flying is out of CLT?

HAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha just when I thought it couldn’t get any better, you write this gem. Truly, you are a master.

How do you come up with this stuff? You should be writing screenplays. I thought Tropic Thunder was a hilarious movie, but holy cow if you were one of the contributing writers it would have been 1000 times better! I honestly think it would have gone down as the funniest movie of all time.

I hope he’s not serious haha. But I’m pretty sure he’s trolling. I may be wrong. 😂

Uncle THkool J....... I have a buddy who works as a lifeguard during the summer at the community pool, can he claim naval experience/background?
I'm just looking out for him so he gets his deserved merit in the community but I'm yet to check with him whether he is suffering from any PTSD from saving people from drowning.

Envoy got its limited extended overwater approval today. I wonder what those geniuses in the Republic thread have to say now? They talked a lot of crap about how Envoy would never get this done.

"Never get it done"

"They have tried and always failed"

"FAA wont allow it".

Those were some of my favorite comments. All three were always 100% false obviously.

Let's see if today brings other news that may sting them a bit.

I would like that duty station. Cute naval observations, especially if it is pierced.

Adding six new E170s?

I wouldn't start bragging too much. Envoy probably took the most time with the most failed attempts in order to get certified EOW out of any airline ever. It's really not that hard.