This person clearly has a chip on their shoulder and is rather aggressive in their posts. Not sure what the average Envoy pilot has done to deserve the attitude this guy has with us, but they do nonetheless.

From what I understand it is not Envoy but American as a whole. There are a lot of displaced Miami pilots at Republic who now have to commute to LGA and other bases on always full American flights. Now they are being bumped out of the jumpseat by offline pilots and it is not sitting too well with them, especially when the same doesn't happen to American or AAG pilots on Republic. So as a result this Miami base closure is bringing a new push to to make the agreement reciprocal.

I for one think AA, UA, and DL pilots should get priority over the JS over any offline pilot on Republic flights no matter the code share and I think they are working on a way to make that happen. But the same needs to be reciprocated.

Before anybody gets all worked up, word is that active discussion has started back up (stopped when covid hit) and there has been some progress made on both sides. But some RPA pilots are a little bitter that American closed their Miami base and to add insult to injury can now be bumped off their new commute by an offline.

Never join an airline for a specific base. Everyone knows that. They’re quick to forget when all the MIA Eagle guys were bumped out of there when AA dispersed the flying to republic.

How would any of this actually work though? American, Delta, and United pilots all on time of check in regardless of which company the flight is operating for? So a Delta pilot checks in before an American pilot on an eagle flight and she/he gets the Jumpseat?

Remind those guys that Republic doesn’t have a say on where they fly, it’s the mainline partners that dictates where y’all Republic flies. So those guys can’t be bitter about American closing their base or losing American flying out of MIA as that flying belongs American. In the first place.

Okay? Not sure why you felt the need to bring that up. I guess that is why I said "American" caused the base to be shut down and not "Republic". Thanks for the hot tip though.

yes, you would get priority still on your own code share over UA or DL. And same for them on theirs.

Little contradictory but I think I’m picking up what you’re putting down

Exactly. That flying is American flying and the plan has always been for Envoy to be fully back in MIA and far stronger than ever. Evident even more so now with the heavies being based there. Don't forget, Republic is just a contractor and doesn't own any of their flying. Envoy owns theirs by virtue of being wholly owned by American. AA now needs Republic to fill in the gaps up in NY. For now. As Envoy's 175 fleet grows, you'll see Envoy taking back most if not all of NY as well. I'm sorry for the Republic guys complaining here. It's just what happens when you work for a lowball contractor.

You’re so out of touch, Agent Orange Juice. Republic is 33% owned by AA and their pilots make a heck of a lot more than Envoy pilots do. They voted no on many contracts and eventually got paid more because of it. Much respect is due to them as a whole.

AA moved them out of MIA partly because Delta was taking advantage of the RAH base there and expanding in MIA with the Latam deal. AA was fighting back Delta. Has nothing to do with Envoy or RAH, really.


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Whats more embarrassing, falling for a kootchie troll or being this big of a fanboy for your regional?

Envoy referring to their 175s as “heavies.” Ha, that’s cute. And y’all wonder why you have the reputation that you have.

This post is too comical.

Dude the only one saying that is you. Our reputation is fine.

THKoolAid is not an Envoy pilot. Nobody at Envoy claims him or any of his statements.

I actually prefer “wide body”

I just say I fly the seven five.

Why would they? I doubt his own mother claims him...

I would prefer Bantam weight.

What are the chances Envoy calls back those of us who have CJO’s for indoc? Could it be summer? I’m guessing it’s anybody’s guess at this point in time...

Considering there are furloughed pilots ahead of you, not very good. Maybe next year. Go find another airline that is hiring now.

It may be sooner than people think. I have a feeling between Frontier and Spirit there will be a not unsubstantial amount of captains bailing out this year.

hopefully they got invites in the last few days because that’s when they went out for frontier

Fair enough for sure, but Spirit is also hiring 400 this year alone, so 20-30 a month. Not saying all are coming from Envoy, but I imagine we have a fair bit of applicants in that pool.

If Envoy secured just 1/5 of the current openings, that's 100 pilots off what I would assume is the top of the seniority list. Is that a ton, no certainly not, but it is start.

Yea probably this summer assuming things keep opening up, and passenger numbers continue to rise. My opinion just based on how things seem to be moving, and just for reference most of these folks are overly pessimistic and were predicting way higher furlough numbers, the collapse of the airline or complete industry collapse. Both of the other WO's are running New Hire classes again, ULCC's and some regionals are beginning to hire again. PAX numbers are going up and they just got more government funding till the fall. I see us being like PSA, calling in the CJO's and Cadets who are ready for classes, and likely not doing any off the street hiring until Q4 or Q1 2022. PAX numbers may not return to 2019 levels for a couple of years but they may get back to 2017-18 levels pretty soon. Like I said it's just my opinion and honestly the pilot group will probably be the last to know what's going on.

yeah only time will tell at this point. We are all just along for the ride lol. My only wish is the company would keep us poolies updated like at the other regionals.

At this point there is basically nothing to update any poolie on. The PSP was only just passed by Congress and hasn’t been signed by Clueless Joe. As others have said, we still have people being paid to sit at home. No one (including Envoy) even really knows what their need is.

Their are other companies already hiring again. Seniority is everything. You may have a horse in the race already as a Envoy cadet, but you’ll probably get to the finish line sooner somewhere else.

yeah for Cadets I think the stipulation is that they have to put you in a class within 3 months from the time you get your 1500 hours or you’re off the hook. (you don’t owe anything to the company as oppose to the 5k I think they charge if you go elsewhere) don’t quote me on that cause it’s been a while but I think that’s how it goes.

I would definitely encourage anyone at their mins to apply to the companies that are hiring, but that being said if they already have a CJO here, it’s probably not going to be that much longer until we are in a position to run new hire classes again. Especially now that lockdown states are beginning to open up and remove their travel quarantines.

I’m not a total doom and gloom guy, but don’t hold your breath. Take what’s available because it’s not just the states opening but international and business travel that has to pick up for the numbers to go up substantially.

Right and I think that will likely be the case around Q4 however, the airline isn't going to wait until that happens to bring on CJO's all hiring realistically needs to be done in advance of any return to demand in travel or the company wont be able to compete. Hence why endeavor is hiring 400+ and why PSA began bringing on higher number of CJO's when compared to those who left the company. I don't see us hiring off the street until at least the fall but, but poolies and Cadets may find themselves in a class this summer, just based on the trends I'm seeing. I'm not in recruitment, but would be interesting to get a take from someone who is, because surly they have some kind of plan.

You're right, that’s what SHOULD happen, but
I’m sorry, you’re making two terrible assumptions about Envoy. They will be proactive and have a plan. Envoy has never been industry leading in those areas.

I see Clueless Joe just signed it into law.

This is sadly accurate. Pretty reactionary on most things.

except AA moving out of MIa would not stop us from flying Delta and having a base there if it was warranted. You guys read into that waaaay too much.

AA benefits from the same basing strategy we use where everyone flies every codeshare way more than Delta benefited from the Base in MIA. BOS was set up for DL but AA pairings originated out of it. LGA for us was a larger operation on DL than it was on AA pre covid and during covid though that likely will now change with the 170’s being moved over to AA. AA is benefiting off of our UA and DL operations in ORD...

Unfortunately ENY isn't a very proactive company as compared to the others. They'll keep procrastinating not taking into consideration attrition and early outs until pilot staffing levels hit very low then, they'll scramble to get anyone to fill in the seat.

I'm baffled right now at the news from PSA

which is?


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