exactly.....

How many documented cases of having three green landing gear indications yet not having any gear legs extended at all were there until it happened right at Eagle/Envoy?

Your attitude is terrible for a supposed professional pilot.

I gotta be honest I’m not seeing what this has to do with what was originally said.

and it was just a question. Nice of you to get all butt hurt about it and calling me a terrible pilot.

im glad to see we go back and you know me so well.

Just because one can draw a system, doesn’t mean they understand it.

Just because one understands the concepts of flight, doesn’t mean they can fly an airplane either.

Yes, back in the day things were held to a higher standard in regards to aircraft knowledge, but we must remember we have checklists and memory items from some of the scenarios listed. It also makes things easier in regards to pilot workload as well.

For any person that listed a scenario above, we don’t just do. We either read and do, or we do because it’s a memory item.

I love flying, I live airplanes. Do I know every nook and cranny? Certainly not.

Do I continue to expand my knowledge? Certainly.

I’d like to think we should always persue in regards to knowing more and growing.


We’ve all been trained here to proficiency (I hope) and I’d like to believe we get and understand the basic concepts of our systems of this aircraft.

There’s people on the ground that know this aircraft way better than us and they’re not pilots 🤪

It has changed from FM1 to FOM now. Part of Envoy’s “alignment with American.”

Imagine that, somebody from a contractor outfit sticking their noses into Regional issues that have nothing to do with them. You wouldn't know anybody like that would you?

That blatantly isn’t true. This is an example of what is easy about bad instruction masquerading as the right stuff.

I think the root of this discussion comes down to instructional theory. It’s ok that things have changed from the old ways because it was obvious to someone that there was a better way.

I think back in the day, the mentality was you should know how many rivets the wing has or at what speed some random motor spun at. I’m sure the thought was if a pilot knew something so obscure they would know all the systems around it.

Advancing up to modern day there are better ways to learn and more important things to know. AQP offers many benefits to both the airline, FAA and the pilots. I don’t have the data in front of me, but I would say as a whole the industry is just as safe, if not safer than in the days of old.

I will say the comment about not being paid enough or whatever from a few pages back turned my stomach. Regardless of the system, pay should never be a motivator or demotivating to a safety culture. We owe it to ourselves, our fellow pilots and the flying public to always try and hold to the highest standards, regardless of our pay, contract, company we work for or current success or failure of the airline economy.

Not that I don’t disagree with knowing the systems well. But that’s not everything. In the scenario you mentioned there should be handling factors that are a dead giveaway like your airspeed/attitude for thrust setting. No hear you would be going considerably faster than normal.

Sometimes there’s other methods to come to the right answer.

systems knowledge isn't the problem

But do you tip van drivers?

Yup. I give them handfuls candy corn from Halloween.

I was under the impression, the company paid gratuity. They’re responsible for the transportation to and from the airport.

I do hope that is meant to be sarcasm.

Not sure whatever gave you that impression. You do however get per diem from the company.

How often do you spend per diem on transportation to and from the airport? My guess is never.

I use per diem to cover miscellaneous expenses while I am on the road, which often includes tipping and not just van drivers.

Preach
Leaving a couple of bucks on the table for a free breakfast is just a thing to do.

I don’t follow. how tipping the van driver is considered a miscellaneous expense. Do you tip the hotel maids too? Transportation is provided by the company (Sec. 5.C.1.).

Tip the Van drivers, especially if they get your bags for you or offer to drive you to dinner or the stores. It’s just called being nice. They don’t get paid a lot and they do a service for you. The more we take care of them the more they’ll take care of our Crews.

Putting on my barracks lawyer hat: tipping for services such as baggage handling and food service while on a business trip is in the very definition of "meals and incidental expenses" (M&IE). Which is why you get non-taxable per diem under IRS rules as a transportation worker while on trips which overnight away from base. (Source: IRS and ALPA)

Hate to break it to you, but the guy driving the La Quinta van isn't getting retainer from your employer. Whether you tip the van driver or not is up to you, I guess, but the intent of your $1.95/hr, or $46.80/24 hr period, is to cover expenses on the road. It ain't difficult to carve out part of that per diem and be a professional.

You may want to revisit your ALPA source it specifically mentions what’s not in M&IE

Sure, because professionalism is determined by how fat of a tip we leave for the van drivers.

I bet you are one of those guys that wears your hat and expect people to look at you in awe. You are a real piece of work.

You're probably referring to ALPA's guidance that items such as "transportation between places of lodging or business and places where meals are taken, telephone calls, laundry, cleaning and pressing, the mailing costs of filing travel vouchers, and payments for employer-sponsored credit card billings" are not considered incidental expenses. You are misinterpreting the transport line item because you are not paying the fare/fee for the transportation itself, which is a item separately reimbursed had you paid.

The tip portion is addressed separately, and specifically, under the definition of an incidental expense. Examples:

From IRS Publication 463: "The term "incidental expenses" means fees and tips given to porters, baggage carriers, hotel staff, and staff on ships."

GSA on per diem:
"What is considered an incidental expense? The Federal Travel Regulation Chapter 300, Part 300-3, under Per Diem Allowance, describes incidental expenses as: [F}ees and tips given to porters, baggage carriers, hotel staff, and staff on ships."

Oh my god, this horrible topic has migrated.

Ha. The eternal debate over van tips is at least a change from our normal programming. Don't worry, we'll be back to the usual soon enough.

One of the proudest moments of my life has been that I derailed this thread with one post.

Shame on you.

Can’t we talk about what matters like is the Blue Falcon behaving? Or, when will the furloughed pilots come back? Or, are cadets better influencers than RTP’s? Or, when will Envoy fire their upper management team and replace them with non-binary life forms?

Besides SM we really don’t have any “influencers” anymore do we? Step it up y’all.

​​​​​​...because Killeen gets pretty ****ing hot.

2016 called and they want their LAX base rumors back.

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard that, I’d have more money than a wide body Captain that’s never gone through a divorce. Hypothetically anyway. IDK if there is such a thing.

A wide body captain that has not gone through at least one divorce, that person does not exist, on either sex.

Good news comes on Mondays.
Bad news comes on Fridays.

careful. You’re going to give henryjj an RA saying that name.....