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03-01-2016 | 05:56 PM

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Do you even work here? I guess you don't understand the AA pay scale. AA first year pay is $76/hour. Goes up really fast after that. You're telling me you'll give that up for a shaky LCC that is truly a lateral move for FO's and a downgrade for Envoy Captains?

Do you even work here, friend? I guess you don't understand the Envoy payscale. News flash: we don't get paid AA pay. Envoy pay is in fact one the THE WORST payscales in the industry. In no way is B6 a lateral move.

03-01-2016 | 06:08 PM

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Yes, calling JetBlue "shaky" is quite ridiculous. Some of their captains are raking in $200K/year I'm told. Their future is certainly as stable if not more then Envoy's.

I don't think he realizes just how absurd his claims sound.

03-01-2016 | 06:38 PM

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He flies a desk. Enough said.

03-01-2016 | 06:44 PM

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Apparently if you work at jet blue you are "giving up" ever working at AA and making $76/hr. Makes sense....

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03-01-2016 | 06:52 PM

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Apparently if you work at jet blue you are "giving up" ever working at AA and making $76/hr. Makes sense....

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To be fair, the likelihood of one becoming an OTS hire at AA is extremely small. I believe I posted the info a few pages back. Somewhere around 50 OTS in 2015.

That's the top 0.3% of candidates.

03-01-2016 | 06:57 PM

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To be fair, the likelihood of one becoming an OTS hire at AA is extremely small. I believe I posted the info a few pages back. Somewhere around 50 OTS in 2015.

That's the top 0.3% of candidates.

How long will that last though? When AA, DAL and UAL all start retiring 600+ pilots a year, that "10,000" application pool starts shrinking pretty fast. Just my opinion. Don't get me wrong, the flow is a great backup and creates movement and makes sense for a lot of people who wouldn't initially be qualified at a legacy (no degree, checkride busts, etc.) but you can't tell me if you are qualified and don't work at Envoy you won't have a shot at AA in the future.

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03-01-2016 | 07:00 PM

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AA will also get through calling back all of their furloughs this summer, so I would expect OTS hires to increase this year anyway

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03-01-2016 | 07:07 PM

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AA will also get through calling back all of their furloughs this summer, so I would expect OTS hires to increase this year anyway

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They did just double their Fast Passes at WIA this year.

03-01-2016 | 08:03 PM

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Of course they have a shot. It's just a very small one in the near future.

How many years will it take to dwindle down the application pool to the point that a pilot feels they actually stand a chance at getting the call? That's the question.

03-02-2016 | 04:18 AM

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I know a few guys that went over to JetBlue in the beginning. One is a good friend. He has been there 15 years. He made $268k last year. This year he will make even more with the large profit sharing check.

These guys are the reason I have felt so comfortable helping young FOs go to b6. I've helped a few to Spirit as well.

I agree, CR700 doesn't have a clue about the real world. I think he is all silent right now, basking in the glory of their bonus. I think it's kind of funny. A bonus is a sign of desperation and can only be approved by the chief DUI drinker extraordinaire himself. The fact he is starting to feel the pinch brings me great joy.