New Envoy Information
03-28-2016, 11:04 AM
#2033
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 687
Originally Posted by Crawl
Six... The flow is just sucking them in, huh?
03-28-2016, 01:28 PM
#2037
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 25
Originally Posted by moon
It is going to take management to continue making changes for the better for people to come here. They hurt Envoy's image for a long time trying to get us to sign the contract. They have a long way to go to restoring the reputation they helped destroy, flow or no flow.
I work at one of Envoys partner schools, we also have partnerships setup with other airlines and I can tell that by far Envoy has the worst reputation in the eyes of my peers. Because we see a lot of posts on here saying Envoy should increase their pay, lower their reserve time etc. to get new hires in the door. Well, word on the "streets" no one wants to go there is because as a pilot group/company the image that you put forth on here is that of a dysfunctional angry group. I do not mean to imply that but to us outsiders (CFIs and other potential hires) it looks like a hot mess none of us wants a part of.
Let's be honest, this is the generation of "what can you do for me". The contract airline that gives up the goods will get the newbs.
- Higher pay
- Shiny Jets
-A cool base or extremely commutable
-And a good attitude toward a dumb new guy
Yes in that order, we're ( as a whole) shallow.
This generation needs to be hugged all the way up to inking the deal. After that do what you like to them. Just take away their social networks if you're gonna treat them bad
But I digress. Bottom line most of the prospective hires come to forums like this to get information. We'll read 20 pages of posts and get 1 to 2 pieces of useful information and 75 posts of how the flow won't work, how crappy it is to work there, how your contract is violated on a regular basis and how you can't get new hires. I personally want to work for Envoy. I have met a few of your pilots, one a good friend and think very highly of. But if this forum is where you choose to air your dirty laundry you're only hurting yourselves. I don't blame management for putting fake posters on here. They may be the only reason you're getting the 5-6 new hires and not fewer. Additionally, if I understand it correctly, the only way the flow works is to get new people through the door. If it were me and I worked at Envoy, I'd be cheerleading the heck out of it just to move my seniority number. And then once I got them in there, change the culture from a poo poo on the company, to do the best you can with what you have. Not that you're not doing that now. But to the layman reading these forums you are.
My $0.02
03-28-2016, 01:42 PM
#2039
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2015
Posts: 416
Originally Posted by DraGoon
From the perspective of a new hire, these forums hurt Envoy's reputation. I truly understand that this is a place where discussions are to be had, but after reading the countless posts of unfettered bickering about ... nothing, it really makes Envoy look bad to the unknowing.
I work at one of Envoys partner schools, we also have partnerships setup with other airlines and I can tell that by far Envoy has the worst reputation in the eyes of my peers. Because we see a lot of posts on here saying Envoy should increase their pay, lower their reserve time etc. to get new hires in the door. Well, word on the "streets" no one wants to go there is because as a pilot group/company the image that you put forth on here is that of a dysfunctional angry group. I do not mean to imply that but to us outsiders (CFIs and other potential hires) it looks like a hot mess none of us wants a part of.
Let's be honest, this is the generation of "what can you do for me". The contract airline that gives up the goods will get the newbs.
- Higher pay
- Shiny Jets
-A cool base or extremely commutable
-And a good attitude toward a dumb new guy
Yes in that order, we're ( as a whole) shallow.
This generation needs to be hugged all the way up to inking the deal. After that do what you like to them. Just take away their social networks if you're gonna treat them bad
But I digress. Bottom line most of the prospective hires come to forums like this to get information. We'll read 20 pages of posts and get 1 to 2 pieces of useful information and 75 posts of how the flow won't work, how crappy it is to work there, how your contract is violated on a regular basis and how you can't get new hires. I personally want to work for Envoy. I have met a few of your pilots, one a good friend and think very highly of. But if this forum is where you choose to air your dirty laundry you're only hurting yourselves. I don't blame management for putting fake posters on here. They may be the only reason you're getting the 5-6 new hires and not fewer. Additionally, if I understand it correctly, the only way the flow works is to get new people through the door. If it were me and I worked at Envoy, I'd be cheerleading the heck out of it just to move my seniority number. And then once I got them in there, change the culture from a poo poo on the company, to do the best you can with what you have. Not that you're not doing that now. But to the layman reading these forums you are.
My $0.02
I work at one of Envoys partner schools, we also have partnerships setup with other airlines and I can tell that by far Envoy has the worst reputation in the eyes of my peers. Because we see a lot of posts on here saying Envoy should increase their pay, lower their reserve time etc. to get new hires in the door. Well, word on the "streets" no one wants to go there is because as a pilot group/company the image that you put forth on here is that of a dysfunctional angry group. I do not mean to imply that but to us outsiders (CFIs and other potential hires) it looks like a hot mess none of us wants a part of.
Let's be honest, this is the generation of "what can you do for me". The contract airline that gives up the goods will get the newbs.
- Higher pay
- Shiny Jets
-A cool base or extremely commutable
-And a good attitude toward a dumb new guy
Yes in that order, we're ( as a whole) shallow.
This generation needs to be hugged all the way up to inking the deal. After that do what you like to them. Just take away their social networks if you're gonna treat them bad
But I digress. Bottom line most of the prospective hires come to forums like this to get information. We'll read 20 pages of posts and get 1 to 2 pieces of useful information and 75 posts of how the flow won't work, how crappy it is to work there, how your contract is violated on a regular basis and how you can't get new hires. I personally want to work for Envoy. I have met a few of your pilots, one a good friend and think very highly of. But if this forum is where you choose to air your dirty laundry you're only hurting yourselves. I don't blame management for putting fake posters on here. They may be the only reason you're getting the 5-6 new hires and not fewer. Additionally, if I understand it correctly, the only way the flow works is to get new people through the door. If it were me and I worked at Envoy, I'd be cheerleading the heck out of it just to move my seniority number. And then once I got them in there, change the culture from a poo poo on the company, to do the best you can with what you have. Not that you're not doing that now. But to the layman reading these forums you are.
My $0.02
There's really no more to it. I don't know of any "fake posters" by management on here (although conspiracy theorists will tell you otherwise.) The flow agreements are not contingent on new-hires coming here (again, the conspiracy theorists will tell you otherwise.) That's all. There's plenty of credible information on this website from people who are familiar with certain companies and plenty of BS information from people who are clueless. You don't see me posting all over Republic, Skywest, TSA, GoJet's page do you? Take a guess why...
Last edited by Eaglepilot84; 03-28-2016 at 02:12 PM. Reason: Because ag386 is a whiney little beech
03-28-2016, 01:45 PM
#2040
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: E-190 FO
Posts: 32
Originally Posted by DraGoon
From the perspective of a new hire, these forums hurt Envoy's reputation. I truly understand that this is a place where discussions are to be had, but after reading the countless posts of unfettered bickering about ... nothing, it really makes Envoy look bad to the unknowing.
I work at one of Envoys partner schools, we also have partnerships setup with other airlines and I can tell that by far Envoy has the worst reputation in the eyes of my peers. Because we see a lot of posts on here saying Envoy should increase their pay, lower their reserve time etc. to get new hires in the door. Well, word on the "streets" no one wants to go there is because as a pilot group/company the image that you put forth on here is that of a dysfunctional angry group. I do not mean to imply that but to us outsiders (CFIs and other potential hires) it looks like a hot mess none of us wants a part of.
Let's be honest, this is the generation of "what can you do for me". The contract airline that gives up the goods will get the newbs.
- Higher pay
- Shiny Jets
-A cool base or extremely commutable
-And a good attitude toward a dumb new guy
Yes in that order, we're ( as a whole) shallow.
This generation needs to be hugged all the way up to inking the deal. After that do what you like to them. Just take away their social networks if you're gonna treat them bad
But I digress. Bottom line most of the prospective hires come to forums like this to get information. We'll read 20 pages of posts and get 1 to 2 pieces of useful information and 75 posts of how the flow won't work, how crappy it is to work there, how your contract is violated on a regular basis and how you can't get new hires. I personally want to work for Envoy. I have met a few of your pilots, one a good friend and think very highly of. But if this forum is where you choose to air your dirty laundry you're only hurting yourselves. I don't blame management for putting fake posters on here. They may be the only reason you're getting the 5-6 new hires and not fewer. Additionally, if I understand it correctly, the only way the flow works is to get new people through the door. If it were me and I worked at Envoy, I'd be cheerleading the heck out of it just to move my seniority number. And then once I got them in there, change the culture from a poo poo on the company, to do the best you can with what you have. Not that you're not doing that now. But to the layman reading these forums you are.
My $0.02
I work at one of Envoys partner schools, we also have partnerships setup with other airlines and I can tell that by far Envoy has the worst reputation in the eyes of my peers. Because we see a lot of posts on here saying Envoy should increase their pay, lower their reserve time etc. to get new hires in the door. Well, word on the "streets" no one wants to go there is because as a pilot group/company the image that you put forth on here is that of a dysfunctional angry group. I do not mean to imply that but to us outsiders (CFIs and other potential hires) it looks like a hot mess none of us wants a part of.
Let's be honest, this is the generation of "what can you do for me". The contract airline that gives up the goods will get the newbs.
- Higher pay
- Shiny Jets
-A cool base or extremely commutable
-And a good attitude toward a dumb new guy
Yes in that order, we're ( as a whole) shallow.
This generation needs to be hugged all the way up to inking the deal. After that do what you like to them. Just take away their social networks if you're gonna treat them bad
But I digress. Bottom line most of the prospective hires come to forums like this to get information. We'll read 20 pages of posts and get 1 to 2 pieces of useful information and 75 posts of how the flow won't work, how crappy it is to work there, how your contract is violated on a regular basis and how you can't get new hires. I personally want to work for Envoy. I have met a few of your pilots, one a good friend and think very highly of. But if this forum is where you choose to air your dirty laundry you're only hurting yourselves. I don't blame management for putting fake posters on here. They may be the only reason you're getting the 5-6 new hires and not fewer. Additionally, if I understand it correctly, the only way the flow works is to get new people through the door. If it were me and I worked at Envoy, I'd be cheerleading the heck out of it just to move my seniority number. And then once I got them in there, change the culture from a poo poo on the company, to do the best you can with what you have. Not that you're not doing that now. But to the layman reading these forums you are.
My $0.02
I know some pilots have the belief that management realizes the pilots are the best PR for the company (good and bad) and they have a duty to voice their opinions to keep new hires away until their pay/QOL/whatever is improved. That's just ridiculous and I think management as well as new hires would respond positively to an improvement in the mood and quality of discussions on forums.
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