Originally Posted by Jersdawg

We disagree on your first point.

Your second argument is not really the argument I'm trying to make. Unless they have changed the airline significantly QOL and pay wise (We've seen how this hasn't turned out), there will be zero new hires, None, if they mess with the flow.

Furthermore, the hiring environment will be completely different than when the 824 were in the longevity range that the PP are in. There are other places to go to move up and out, and those places will be hiring. We are seeing the LCCs get better contracts with better work rules and better pay. They will be hiring, as well as the other majors, the cargo carriers, and other attractive options. Waiting around 13 years (or whatever) for the flow isn't going to happen the same way anymore.

Mess with the PP agreement and gut the airline from the inside out. Wait until the flow shifts back to a slower rate with the later agreements, and ENY will avoid that disaster.

Originally Posted by HobGoblin

Their selling point is the flow, and many FOs and CAs are staying for the flow. Meter the flow to save a few a month and you will have people jumping ship to any crap hole operations such as allegiant or the like. Stopping the flow would be suicide.

There are plenty of things wrong with this company, don't get me wrong. But why you get off on constantly trashing it, exaggerating and outright lying I have no idea. You don't even work here man, get a life.

Originally Posted by eaglefly

Sorry, but I don't see any moves from anyone other then what they already are willing to do. I see that claim of sudden mass exodus as chest-thumping. Sure, there will be a small percentage of outliers, but the pilots already proved via Cujo's poll, they plan to ride it out at Envoy for the blessed flow unless another legacy gets them first or the case of some, an LCC. As for the flow to AA, IMO, most if not all the LCC's, will have better contracts then AA within a few years and AA will be the least financially lucrative airline among the other legacies and LCC's like Southwest, Jet Blue, Spirit, etc. all who will have higher narrowbody rates and better work rules and at least equal 401(k) pensions. We're going to be the "cheap seats" in 2020, IMO, so personally, I don't think the flow is as golden a ticket as most other places considering where we are and where we're going.

Just my .02............

Originally Posted by Jersdawg

Your 2nd to last sentence is my point exactly. I just don't think we are quite on the same wavelength here. The PP group won't even start flowing til mid next year at this rate. What is to keep people here from 2017-2020 if those LCC contracts are better than AA's? It's a simple business decision, and everyone will be hiring. Why stay at Envoy for the flow if one can find pastures way greener than the one at AA? As retirements pick up, the jobs simply won't take the legwork to acquire they used to or that they do now. (Please note I'm not saying Delta is going to start hiring over the phone, merely that five job fairs and 40 hrs a week volunteering plus F-14 time (also exaggerating somewhat) won't be necessary anymore)

Originally Posted by adspilot

100 new hires in the first six months... Any one have insight into the next couple of months?

Originally Posted by N927EV

He's mad because he got fired from here and now he pretends to work at allegiant.

Originally Posted by ag386

Allegiant is the worst of the LCCs. That's a fact. The new TA pay rates help a lot though.

At least I made a move. You just visit the other forums kicking the tires. Guess you believe in the flow. It will likely work, but take you many years longer than the pie in the sky projections of Envoy management.

Originally Posted by ag386

Allegiant is the worst of the LCCs. That's a fact. The new TA pay rates help a lot though.

At least I made a move. You just visit the other forums kicking the tires. Guess you believe in the flow. It will likely work, but take you many years longer than the pie in the sky projections of Envoy management.

Originally Posted by N927EV

For someone who "works" at allegiant you spend a lot of time on time on regional forums always trashing envoy. I really doubt you work at allegiant.