The reason why it's relevant is that if you are backtracking on your claims as flying for Allegiant, then you are proving yourself to be a LIAR. So, why would a self-proclaimed "envoy truther" be lying? Someone couldn't pass training at envoy and is a little butt hurt!!!

 

Currently, 4 months from reserve to composite lineholder, ORD 145 FO.

Also, newhires from earlier this year are getting their transfers to their preferred base.

Before locking yourself in an aircraft you can't transfer out of, or skipping out on a job, consider the things I just mentioned.

 

I don't know what your "friend" could or could not vouch for but anyone that actually works at envoy can look at the reserve list and tell you that any 3 year pilot is bidding reserve by choice.

Senior reserve can offer a much better QOL than junior lineholder. Mainly due to being able to have weekends off, proffering for low time trips picked apart by OTers, and flying the CDOs. A senior reserve pilot could easily fly only 15 - 20 hours in a month and with a TAFB time in the low 100 hrs in exchange for 75 hours of pay. An arrangement that seems to appeal to locals and commuters alike.

Like it or not, envoy is coming out the of the "Deep Stall" it was put into due to the AMR Bankruptcy and US/AA merger. While there is still much improvement needed, AAG has already shown its willingness to put up the money to address the "pilot shortage" and will/is parking aircraft to honor the flow. 13 more flow to AA for July, by the way and back up to 20 - 30 a month after August. Another financial improvement is being worked out as we speak, increasing pay for everyone. (but mostly FOs)

 

Oh yeah....it's coming out of the deep stall. Things are so great here for current FOs. I mean I get to watch my senior guys get zero shot at the 175 as it is wh ored out to new hires. More importantly, zero movement on the 145 side for FOs unless you are one of the lucky 55 guys moving to CA, but really doesn't do much for the other FOs when no one is coming under you. Meanwhile new hires usurp all the seniority away from poor 7-8 year FOs by creating a little mini world on the 175 that someone with seniority SHOULD have access to. Don't worry though, much like they are hosing senior FOs now, the new hire too will get bones somehow eventually. Never fails.

Potential new hires should take heed of this example - they don't care.
Once you are in the door all they care about is getting the next ones in. They don't care if they cut you off from any movement. They don't care if new hires make more than an 8 year FO(of course you get the big sand pound the 2nd year).

Please guys - don't be blind to this company. They will screw you the first chance they can.

 

I would follow this advice. This guy is spot on with the current situation at Envoy.

And the flow isn't going back up to 20-30 per month after August. Per the newsblast, it says not to expect 30 flows per month for the rest of the year. And zero in December.

Knowing how AAG operates, I would expect that "don't expect 30 flows for the rest of the year" to be maybe 12-14 per month.

127 flows YTD. It will be tough to hit 200 total this year.

 

I really had to laugh at this paragraph. Your willingness to "spin" reality is simply amazing. IIRC, back in January you and others were trumpeting a flow of over 300-350 this year, while I was skeptical and said 200 would be lucky. Now that 200 (or even less) is the reality, here you are saying this. Not only that, Envoy "will/is parking aircraft to honor the flow" ?

Could you list the aircraft Envoy has parked to honor what is a fraction of the previously projected flow for 2016 ?

You also seem to blame Envoy's woes on the bankruptcy merger and seem to frame the present regional pilot CRISIS as questionable phrasing it as a "shortage" as if Envoy itself bears no burden. Envoy's issues have little to do with the C11/merger and everything to do with an industry that screwed itself by making the regional pilot existence akin to a sweatshop operation and Envoy's present woes are a byproduct of combined internal failings and the catch-22 they are in regarding their present situation. I simply don't see Envoy pulling out of any "deep stalls" and in fact are in danger of kicking their present flat spin, inverted.

From all outward appearances, Envoy is running out of altitude fast. More ca$h coming to F/O's ? That would actually make sense as again, they will only throw the minimum money they feel necessary to solve THEIR problems. First, it was just give new-hires more pay, leaving present pilots to twist in the wind and now throw some at F/O's, leaving captains as the goats ? I can see that and I can see the MEC being stupid enough to hand them another Band-Aid. But, I don't think the next Band-Aid will work either as pilots will still leave for greener pastures and wouldn't leave anyway laterally. This wont do much for new-hires as they already have brought that pay up to X and the stampeded to the E-145's and CRJ's has remained elusive.

Anyhoo, thanks for the chuckle. Your post above at least DID have some type of value.

 

Well, you got to hand it to the guy. He's areal trooper. I don't think I could have made that post with a straight face. It only looks worse when these minions come on here with such clearly distorted claims that fly in opposition to everyone else's reality. Again, in the end, it wont matter. There simply is no one out there (or very few) and laterals simply aren't going to roll the dice on what is clearly a loaded game unless they have good reason, like living in or close to DFW or ORD. Even then, most wont.

All this does is provide fodder for accurate dispute.

 

Agreed. He took the latest 18 wheeler load full of lemons fresh from the company, the MEC newsblast stating the flow would be reduced, and immediately started lemonade making at the Envoy stand.

 

LOL, eagefly. Whatever "damage" you attempt to afflict on envoy, it will never equal the damage they have done to you. You have obviously been deeply effected by your experience with AMR/AAG. You will continue to steep in your sorrows long after AMR has forgotten about you.

You are persistent, I'll give you that. Spin your sermon however you like. I stand by my statements, it is what it is. If you will excuse me, I think I'll go live my life out there in the real world. You should try it sometime.

 

Who cares about the 175, and clearly the math is there that somehow guys will have to come to the 145 at some point. After these last 5 years you and I both should be experts in patience.

Also if you want the 175 so bad wait to upgrade into it. Simple math shows the upgrades will have to continue.

Also what's the status of parker or Kirby I forget who saying in a town hall that more 145 airplanes late 2016 will return back to Envoy .