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#6591
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I think there was 100 CA (Correct me if I'm wrong) openings on the last bid... so 250 from the last guy the was awarded the upgrade would be around 3 to 4 upgrade bids until it hits everyone between 2011 and 2015... we were told to expect further upgrade bids with similar sizes. So the math works all we can do is wait honestly.
#6592
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We told people our upgrade time would fall to 2.5 years when it was at the time 8.5, and nobody believed it. Now, a year later it is 4.5 years and people still don't believe it.
If you don't believe the projections, just wait on the sideline until it drops to 2.5 years.
Get on that backside of the hiring and retirement wave that pilots are so good at finding.
#6594
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#6596
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The attrition numbers are sent to all envoy pilots as part of every alpa news blast.
#6597
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Only problem is the dated 3,000 TT requirement for upgrade. Guys were passed over in the latest bid due to not having the total time required to upgrade. I only anticipate more in forthcoming vacancies. You can't expect new hires to have that 3,000 hours in 2.5 years if they are hired on with only a R-ATP with 1,000 hours total. I'm not sure what other regionals requirement is, but I'm assuming they'll have to lower this requirement soon to keep up with the amount of CA's needed IMO. Not the worst problem to have though, I just never thought I'd see this becoming a problem because I didn't think upgrade time would drop so fast.
#6598
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Thanks for the prompt answers, much appreciated. However, it spurs new questions from me.
Reserve not being commutable, is that policy that you must be in say DFW for your reserve time, or would it be possible to commute from somewhere like San Antonio that has around 10 flights a day and hang out at the DFW airport or local area until the end of your reserve time for the day and commute back home?
Can you expound a bit on reserve time dropping like a rock? You mean people are gaining seniority quickly in order to hold a line or?
Reserve not being commutable, is that policy that you must be in say DFW for your reserve time, or would it be possible to commute from somewhere like San Antonio that has around 10 flights a day and hang out at the DFW airport or local area until the end of your reserve time for the day and commute back home?
Can you expound a bit on reserve time dropping like a rock? You mean people are gaining seniority quickly in order to hold a line or?
With our commuter policy a pilot needs two attempts to get to base for the commuter policy to kick in. We run our reserve assignments at 5 pm everyday. So if a pilot has two later flights after 5 then it becomes commutable. San Antonio would very likely be commutable for reserve. Cities where we have low frequency of flights might not be commutable. I know some pilots have to start the drive to the Airport and then at 5 pm decides to commute in or return home for the night. It's very different simply based on where one commutes from. (I know reserve assignments usually come out around 3pm ish but it can change by 5 pm. It's rare but it has happened. )
Reserve times on the 145 should be one or two months after IOE. Bases may vary with times.
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