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Old 01-24-2017 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Pcruz28
I think there was 100 CA (Correct me if I'm wrong) openings on the last bid... so 250 from the last guy the was awarded the upgrade would be around 3 to 4 upgrade bids until it hits everyone between 2011 and 2015... we were told to expect further upgrade bids with similar sizes. So the math works all we can do is wait honestly.
In addition there are a lot of FOs who have and will continue to bypass upgrade, due to poor quality of life as a junior Captain on reserve. Because of our 300+ captain lifers, reserve in the left seat is measured in years instead of months. Local junior captains (myself included) often choose reserve instead of the junior lines. On ORD EMJ almost half of the total captains are lifers. The plus side of this is obviously the lowered upgrade time for FOs who don't bypass. It now looks like upgrade time for current new hires could really be as short as advertised.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by pr1m3

Additionally, how is it that Envoy projects upgrade within 2.5 years but currently the most junior CA have DOH in 2011? By my math that is closer to 6 years, the same amount of time they foresee flow to AAL.
Please tell me you know the difference between someone hired before AMR declared bankruptcy and a pilot hired today. Its a completely different world! How many times do we have to go over this.
We told people our upgrade time would fall to 2.5 years when it was at the time 8.5, and nobody believed it. Now, a year later it is 4.5 years and people still don't believe it.
If you don't believe the projections, just wait on the sideline until it drops to 2.5 years.
Get on that backside of the hiring and retirement wave that pilots are so good at finding.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 07:26 PM
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Are the 4 hotels that the company offers sufficient for commuting to reserve? What do you mean some reserves are not commutable?
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Old 01-24-2017 | 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
reserve in the left seat is measured in years instead of months.
Really? I took first upgrade and was able to hold a line 9 months later. Just depends I guess what aircraft/base you are upgrading into. Oh and I'm just coming up on 12 months in the left seat.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 08:42 PM
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Any idea how easy it would be to get a FO base at LGA? Going in for my interview in a few weeks
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Old 01-24-2017 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MidLife
I don't speak from knowledge, just guessing - they probably are seeing attrition from pilots dissatisfied with the low QoL, and can project based on the attrition. I don't think they will ever post attrition numbers - no one wants to air dirty laundry...
The attrition numbers are sent to all envoy pilots as part of every alpa news blast.
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Old 01-24-2017 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2
Only problem is the dated 3,000 TT requirement for upgrade. Guys were passed over in the latest bid due to not having the total time required to upgrade. I only anticipate more in forthcoming vacancies. You can't expect new hires to have that 3,000 hours in 2.5 years if they are hired on with only a R-ATP with 1,000 hours total. I'm not sure what other regionals requirement is, but I'm assuming they'll have to lower this requirement soon to keep up with the amount of CA's needed IMO. Not the worst problem to have though, I just never thought I'd see this becoming a problem because I didn't think upgrade time would drop so fast.
Check your FM1 or the contract. There is a waiver concerning time flown with the company.
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Old 01-25-2017 | 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pr1m3
Thanks for the prompt answers, much appreciated. However, it spurs new questions from me.

Reserve not being commutable, is that policy that you must be in say DFW for your reserve time, or would it be possible to commute from somewhere like San Antonio that has around 10 flights a day and hang out at the DFW airport or local area until the end of your reserve time for the day and commute back home?

Can you expound a bit on reserve time dropping like a rock? You mean people are gaining seniority quickly in order to hold a line or?
When I say reserve isn't commutable I was kinda busy and didn't have time to into detail. So here it is.

With our commuter policy a pilot needs two attempts to get to base for the commuter policy to kick in. We run our reserve assignments at 5 pm everyday. So if a pilot has two later flights after 5 then it becomes commutable. San Antonio would very likely be commutable for reserve. Cities where we have low frequency of flights might not be commutable. I know some pilots have to start the drive to the Airport and then at 5 pm decides to commute in or return home for the night. It's very different simply based on where one commutes from. (I know reserve assignments usually come out around 3pm ish but it can change by 5 pm. It's rare but it has happened. )

Reserve times on the 145 should be one or two months after IOE. Bases may vary with times.

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Old 01-25-2017 | 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ncpilot1996
Any idea how easy it would be to get a FO base at LGA? Going in for my interview in a few weeks
You will have no problem getting LGA, it's currently the junior base.
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Old 01-25-2017 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pntbllr233
Which airframe? I know someone still waiting for IOE on the 145 and he finished in mid-December. I finished late in my class because of some paperwork issues. Even the guys ahead of me in my class still haven't heard anything. This is all on the 145.
Sorry....175
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