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Old 09-26-2016 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
I've already flown with a couple FO's that have mentioned they deliberately avoid calling in fatigued because they know it will probably be converted to an MA, or at least they'll lose the pay. One even mentioned they didn't want to do it because of the stipulation in the flow that, if there are any disciplinary measures currently on file, you can be withheld from flowing. Rumors are the company is dishing out step letters more often these days. How is the loss of pay, threat of discipline and possible loss of flow due to discipline not coercing people into flying when they shouldn't?
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Old 09-27-2016 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
Ric and Pedro are Kirby mini me's. If they want change here, those two need to leave. More will get on board, maybe we'll stand in the corner on board, but at least we'll get on-board. Pedro and Ric are in positions that are above their education and personality.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by FlameNSky
I agree.

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I personally can't stand Ric. He's a moron of epic proportions and all gains we have had and will have are despite him.

Pedro, on the other hand has fought tooth and nail for us from day one. He actually does care and has been pushing for greater improvements for us going back to the whole "vote NO" fiasco of 2014. Ask any Union rep next time you talk to them. Pedro approves every proposal of their's to some degree or other...in some instances actually enhancing it before sending it to AA. Where, in the past, it would die once Scott Kirby got his greasy fingers on it.

Luckily, Kirby is out and Isom is in. In that very short period of time since Kirby got the boot look at how much has been accomplished at Envoy. Pay increases and retention bonuses for Captains is monumental and would have been unheard of just a very short time ago. And tomorrow's news...well, that will just be more.

Point is, Pedro is a good guy. Ric is an idiot who personifies the Peter Principle. For those unfamiliar with what that means, here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

And Robert Isom is another good guy who has always fought for us...and in him we have a HUGE ally at AA now.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
I've already flown with a couple FO's that have mentioned they deliberately avoid calling in fatigued because they know it will probably be converted to an MA, or at least they'll lose the pay. One even mentioned they didn't want to do it because of the stipulation in the flow that, if there are any disciplinary measures currently on file, you can be withheld from flowing. Rumors are the company is dishing out step letters more often these days. How is the loss of pay, threat of discipline and possible loss of flow due to discipline not coercing people into flying when they shouldn't?

No biggie if you're a PP.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
I personally can't stand Ric. He's a moron of epic proportions and all gains we have had and will have are despite him.

Pedro, on the other hand has fought tooth and nail for us from day one. He actually does care and has been pushing for greater improvements for us going back to the whole "vote NO" fiasco of 2014. Ask any Union rep next time you talk to them. Pedro approves every proposal of their's to some degree or other...in some instances actually enhancing it before sending it to AA. Where, in the past, it would die once Scott Kirby got his greasy fingers on it.

Luckily, Kirby is out and Isom is in. In that very short period of time since Kirby got the boot look at how much has been accomplished at Envoy. Pay increases and retention bonuses for Captains is monumental and would have been unheard of just a very short time ago. And tomorrow's news...well, that will just be more.

Point is, Pedro is a good guy. Ric is an idiot who personifies the Peter Principle. For those unfamiliar with what that means, here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

And Robert Isom is another good guy who has always fought for us...and in him we have a HUGE ally at AA now.
Can't disagree with most, but Pedro allows Ric to act this way. Also he sets this tone, we need a guy that can talk to us, Pedro avoids us. When is the last time we've heard from Pedro, besides in recurrent when we have to watch that video. The man at the top sets the example. We are a hard working group with more experience them most. But we don't want to be crapped on. If we had a leader that said jump on my back and we'll kick ass, this group would. Unfortunately, Pedro allows Ric to make every action we do here a second guess followed by a punishment. He knows every move Ric makes and he allows it, this is enough for him to be removed. If they did just those two things Wednesday, that would be better then any small announcement they have. Getting the current group on board is the only way things will work here, right now as a group we are zeroing out their efforts on making this company work.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Smutter
Can't disagree with most, but Pedro allows Ric to act this way. Also he sets this tone, we need a guy that can talk to us, Pedro avoids us. When is the last time we've heard from Pedro, besides in recurrent when we have to watch that video. The man at the top sets the example. We are a hard working group with more experience them most. But we don't want to be crapped on. If we had a leader that said jump on my back and we'll kick ass, this group would. Unfortunately, Pedro allows Ric to make every action we do here a second guess followed by a punishment. He knows every move Ric makes and he allows it, this is enough for him to be removed. If they did just those two things Wednesday, that would be better then any small announcement they have. Getting the current group on board is the only way things will work here, right now as a group we are zeroing out their efforts on making this company work.
I agree. Ulitmately it is Pedro's fault for Ric running wild. The buck stops with Pedro and it is his responsibility. The ins and outs as to why this is..I don't know. I do know Pedro is a reasonable person. If enough rocks are kicked and enough is brought to Pedro's attention..maybe, MAYBE Ric will get the boot the same way Kirby did.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
I personally can't stand Ric. He's a moron of epic proportions and all gains we have had and will have are despite him.

Pedro, on the other hand has fought tooth and nail for us from day one. He actually does care and has been pushing for greater improvements for us going back to the whole "vote NO" fiasco of 2014. Ask any Union rep next time you talk to them. Pedro approves every proposal of their's to some degree or other...in some instances actually enhancing it before sending it to AA. Where, in the past, it would die once Scott Kirby got his greasy fingers on it.

Luckily, Kirby is out and Isom is in. In that very short period of time since Kirby got the boot look at how much has been accomplished at Envoy. Pay increases and retention bonuses for Captains is monumental and would have been unheard of just a very short time ago. And tomorrow's news...well, that will just be more.

Point is, Pedro is a good guy. Ric is an idiot who personifies the Peter Principle. For those unfamiliar with what that means, here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

And Robert Isom is another good guy who has always fought for us...and in him we have a HUGE ally at AA now.
Not arguing with you, BUT, then why does not Pedro fire the MFA? There has been enough rocks thrown through glass to get Pedro's attention.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 04:39 PM
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I saw a lot of talk in this thread regarding the 175 vs the 145 and CRJ relating to different bases for the different aircraft. I'm just in the research process now prior to applying to a regional in the next week or so and would like to know what difference it makes which aircraft a pilot is flying? I'm not familiar enough with the aircraft in mention to know if one is "better" than the other. And since I would be commuting to either ORD or DFW it appears, would there be any advantage of one over the other?
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Old 09-27-2016 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fearofpavement
I saw a lot of talk in this thread regarding the 175 vs the 145 and CRJ relating to different bases for the different aircraft. I'm just in the research process now prior to applying to a regional in the next week or so and would like to know what difference it makes which aircraft a pilot is flying? I'm not familiar enough with the aircraft in mention to know if one is "better" than the other. And since I would be commuting to either ORD or DFW it appears, would there be any advantage of one over the other?
Well, there isn't much of a difference pay wise since all the planes are on the same rate. If someone is looking at flying for a Middle East company then the 145 time doesn't count based on weight.

The CRJ isn't based in DFW. The 175 is only based in DFW. 145 is based both in DFW and ORD.

For a pilot getting hired right now I don't think there is going to be much difference in time spent on reserve. Some would disagree and they maybe right. Six months ago it was easy to predict the new hires weren't going to spend much time on reserve.

There are more 145s so there are more of a variety of trips than the CRJ and 175. All is subject to change at the flip of a coin though. Word is a HUGE announcement is coming out tomorrow.

Beyond that flying wise the 145 is just a much more relaxed and forgiving airplane than the CRJ. Not having flown the 175 all I can say is people really seem to like it.
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Old 09-27-2016 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fearofpavement
I saw a lot of talk in this thread regarding the 175 vs the 145 and CRJ relating to different bases for the different aircraft. I'm just in the research process now prior to applying to a regional in the next week or so and would like to know what difference it makes which aircraft a pilot is flying? I'm not familiar enough with the aircraft in mention to know if one is "better" than the other. And since I would be commuting to either ORD or DFW it appears, would there be any advantage of one over the other?
As of now, DFW has the 175 and the 145. ORD has the CRJ and the 145. If you are interested, the primary goal should be getting on the seniority list ASAP. One number can make a huge difference in certain circumstances.

As for aircraft, the 175 is growing, but will eventually be fully staffed soon, resulting in seniority stagnation for a period of time. The CRJ has been holding steady lately and is about to have a huge exodus of FOs to upgrade, but it is supposed to go to PSA at some point. Who knows when - we have heard anything from 2nd quarter next year to indefinitely staying at Envoy. The 145 is the largest fleet and the backbone of ENY, but is shrinking little by little. It is spread between two bases and many senior FOs will be upgrading off of it soon, too, resulting in some decent seniority movement.

My advice would be to just get here as soon as you can if you're interested. Each fleet will have its upsides and downsides, so go with your preferred base.

I will say that if you want the 175, the sooner you hop on, the better. The other two will have continual movement, but the 175 is very junior on the FO side right now and will eventually have the longest upgrade.
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