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Old 11-02-2017, 07:57 PM
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That's really good to know. . . I was at 9E and while it was a pretty good place to be, my commute kind'a killed it and better offer at part 91. It really is good to hear that for the most part Envoy seems to be in a good place right now. It seems like the smart money is to be with a WO . . well, and like was said, Skypest is ALWAYS THE BEST, JUST ASK THEM.... So it sounds like its a pretty good move for me and my family.


Please allow SkyBest to wait for Daddy Delta to announce a merger plus a flow that bypasses Endeavor. Because, Delta recognizes the efforts that SkyFirst has and will continue to demonstration. They are far superior to every single regional carrier, and in every single performance and cost analysis metrics known to mankind!
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:21 AM
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Increase pay rates for CAs, fix schedules, fix reserve rules, and have management change its punitive actions on sick calls and fatigue. Fix these and most other problems will fix itself.

We have the most insane reserve system out there. We have crews sit airport standby for 8 hours to cover 3 flights. Crazy I know.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:36 AM
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Diddly-diddly! And apparently the company is happy with status quo with regards to reserve. I seriously doubt it and don’t think they should be so content.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:40 AM
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AA WOs or 9E are really the best 2 options right now. Pick an AA WO based on where you want to live or pick 9E for the same reasons. I think the AA WOs have an edge over 9E because of the flow. Secondary choices would be Republic or SkyWest (cringe). Only because I see both of them being the least likely to lose flying over the next few years. All others are a gamble.

9E raises pay. The WOs are already in talks with management to do the same. Republic is in talks... The rest of the industry will try to follow. The TSH regionals will have a tough time keeping up. Mesa won’t be able to keep up but will still be able to staff because pilots who fail out of their regional training have to go somewhere. The United regionals will quasi keep up but I see real problems on the horizon for United’s regional feed. And SkyWest will keep their pay low and ride out their 1% /year raises because “West coast bases”.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:51 AM
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We offer a good product and have the performance numbers to show it. Movement is faster here now then it ever has been before. You can count your reserve time on months instead of years. Heck upgrade as fast as you like depending on your experience. We are the primary wo carrier for American and are getting as much flying thrown at us as we can handle.

As the market for pilots becomes more and more competitive so to will the offers from companies. As soon as the number of incoming applications slows down Envoy will react with sweetening the pot. The endeavor factor will be a very interesting to see play out.

Some mgmt is well aware of this being a "pilots" market willing to throw around large sums of money. Others are still stuck in days gone by. The forced upgrade is a blessing and a curse depending on your personal needs and expectations. Single mobile guy = awesome. If you are a well entrenched express jet refugee that lives in one of our Dallas only stations and have kids in kindergarten, 2nd and 4th grade and 3000 hours of 121 PIC but no STS shuttle time and no calls from Delta you are rather screwed. Unless you want to be junior captain for eons in LGA you are SOL. If that's not a problem then who cares.

The ship has by no means sailed. But depending on your expectations and experience it may have cast it's lines. If a steady stream of 121 refugees continue to work there way in then the forced upgreades become irrelevant as there will be a steady stream of recently awarded junior captains below you.

It's important to point out all flow numbers have been quoted on all on the seniority list exclusively flowing to AA and AA continuing to hire at their normal historical rate. Common sense says neither will be true and may negate each other. A percentage of pilots at Envoy which remains to be seen will get hired and move onto other airlines. There isn't a way to predict this but I recall 15 a month being a number thrown around a year ago. As FedEx, Delta, Etc ramp up those numbers may shift. If those guys see more early retkrments it will impact our numbers. No one can really predict what will happen.

In summary the timing could not be better. It's a pilots market and everyone needs to remember that.


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Thank you. . this is a very good and honest write up! On 9E, they were an AWESOME place to work, but the "delta elite" scared me. Heck, when our chief pilot had the 3 times, "thanks but no thanks", who am I to think I could get in!!!???!! I like the idea of at least some sort of a flow.... so much better, than put in your time, wait, wait, wait, . . . interview. . . "and uh NO!!! Go back to flying for us, but dont make our money!"
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Old 11-03-2017, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules View Post
AA WOs or 9E are really the best 2 options right now. Pick an AA WO based on where you want to live or pick 9E for the same reasons. I think the AA WOs have an edge over 9E because of the flow. Secondary choices would be Republic or SkyWest (cringe). Only because I see both of them being the least likely to lose flying over the next few years. All others are a gamble.

9E raises pay. The WOs are already in talks with management to do the same. Republic is in talks... The rest of the industry will try to follow. The TSH regionals will have a tough time keeping up. Mesa won’t be able to keep up but will still be able to staff because pilots who fail out of their regional training have to go somewhere. The United regionals will quasi keep up but I see real problems on the horizon for United’s regional feed. And SkyWest will keep their pay low and ride out their 1% /year raises because “West coast bases”.
Agree 100% with all of this
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Old 11-03-2017, 08:17 AM
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Flow is not guaranteed to be there in a year, two years, five years. It’s a nice idea and maybe a bonus, but I wouldn’t put my eggs in that basket.

I think someone else said it best, “if you’re flowing in 8 years, you’re doing it wrong.” That being said, there’s nothing wrong with making a career at a regional. For some, it makes more sense and is a better fit.

I’m not one of those people.


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Old 11-03-2017, 03:27 PM
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Question folks...commutters
I will be commuting to LGA...how the parking reimbursment work?Do i need just to submit the Lga parking form even if i am parked in an other airport( YUL) ???
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Old 11-03-2017, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ouardanio View Post
Question folks...commutters
I will be commuting to LGA...how the parking reimbursment work?Do i need just to submit the Lga parking form even if i am parked in an other airport( YUL) ???
Are you going to commute from YUL? The taxes on that seeming they would get pretty old after awhile. If you’re parking at another airport and not at LGA, theny yes, you still need to submit the receipt so the CP can sign off on it.
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Old 11-03-2017, 06:35 PM
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Are you going to commute from YUL? The taxes on that seeming they would get pretty old after awhile. If you’re parking at another airport and not at LGA, theny yes, you still need to submit the receipt so the CP can sign off on it.
Yes from YUL ...yes i do pay 48$ each time...i will try to make my trips long so i don’t have to cross many times.
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