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Old 11-02-2017, 02:14 PM
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Is that a glass half full statement? or truly what the rank-n-file seem to think as well? Not trying to be a smart *ss, really trying to see what the gauge is out there.
No, realistically I just donít think anyone knows how fast or slow the current flow could be adjusted because of world events, the economy, or if everything just keeps going along like it is.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:31 PM
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I would say that you are in a good spot to get some of the first picks(any 121 puts you ahead of the majority, and usually there are not that many pipeline CFI personnel) and since you have the 300 hours you wonít worry about upgrades anytime soon. As far as base picks it will be what the numbers are generated right before the class picks (meaning no one knows what bases or equip are available until morning of).
I would say go for it and good luck.
Well that's a good thing! Thanks for the information
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:34 PM
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No, realistically I just donít think anyone knows how fast or slow the current flow could be adjusted because of world events, the economy, or if everything just keeps going along like it is.
Very true, I know nobody has a true crystal ball in this industry. Are most folks pretty positive about where Envoy is right now? or do they feel a little screwed. Reading some of the postings here, many feel like its a dead end place for newer hires... But I do realize that as pilots we LOVE to female dog!
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:39 PM
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Very true, I know nobody has a true crystal ball in this industry. Are most folks pretty positive about where Envoy is right now? or do they feel a little screwed. Reading some of the postings here, many feel like its a dead end place for newer hires... But I do realize that as pilots we LOVE to female dog!
I guess it depends on who you ask. The organization is what you make it and there will always be some that are just never going to be happy...but most that I have crossed paths with in general are good.
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Old 11-02-2017, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotguy7 View Post
Very true, I know nobody has a true crystal ball in this industry. Are most folks pretty positive about where Envoy is right now? or do they feel a little screwed. Reading some of the postings here, many feel like its a dead end place for newer hires... But I do realize that as pilots we LOVE to female dog!
I don't think anyone here has said it is a dead end place for a new hire.... And if they have then they are in the extreme minority. It is actually a really good place for a new hire IF you do not have prior 121 time. Less than 500 should be ok.

On the other hand you are right that most people here feel like they are getting screwed. Well, because we are. And if you come here or any regional you will likely feel the same way at some point in your career no matter where you go. Except if you go to SkyWest then you belong to a real pilot group where your Sh*t dont stink anymore. The reason most of them feel like they have been screwed is because they have. And the company keeps telling them to bend over again and again. This could actually be a new thread we could start where people tell them their worst experiences with Eagle/Envoy. Over a four year period a third of the pilot group LEFT. The company threatened to shut the company down during this time. They closed 5 bases. Gave away Envoy planes. Forced Eagle into a sham bankruptcy contract. Displaced CAs to FOs. Paid FOs less money in the first year then you will make in your first month at Envoy.

Pilots that were hired from 2015 on do not have much to complain about. Pilots hired in 2014 may have mixed emotions. 2013-2006 pilot likely have experienced the the worst of the companies actions. The old farts that are still around well.... I hardly ever fly with them or see them around much so I cant speak for them.
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
I don't think anyone here has said it is a dead end place for a new hire.... And if they have then they are in the extreme minority. It is actually a really good place for a new hire IF you do not have prior 121 time. Less than 500 should be ok.

On the other hand you are right that most people here feel like they are getting screwed. Well, because we are. And if you come here or any regional you will likely feel the same way at some point in your career no matter where you go. Except if you go to SkyWest then you belong to a real pilot group where your Sh*t dont stink anymore. The reason most of them feel like they have been screwed is because they have. And the company keeps telling them to bend over again and again. This could actually be a new thread we could start where people tell them their worst experiences with Eagle/Envoy. Over a four year period a third of the pilot group LEFT. The company threatened to shut the company down during this time. They closed 5 bases. Gave away Envoy planes. Forced Eagle into a sham bankruptcy contract. Displaced CAs to FOs. Paid FOs less money in the first year then you will make in your first month at Envoy.

Pilots that were hired from 2015 on do not have much to complain about. Pilots hired in 2014 may have mixed emotions. 2013-2006 pilot likely have experienced the the worst of the companies actions. The old farts that are still around well.... I hardly ever fly with them or see them around much so I cant speak for them.

I can, Some are bitter and crusty, specially the ones that passed the flow and can't go now. Lifers.
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor6743 View Post
And flow (number of years) is a hard question to answer because there are just too many variables....it could be 6-8 but then with the retirements at all the Mains looks like it could be sooner

Only if the mainline fleet doesnít shrink too.
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Old 11-02-2017, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotguy7 View Post
Very true, I know nobody has a true crystal ball in this industry. Are most folks pretty positive about where Envoy is right now? or do they feel a little screwed. Reading some of the postings here, many feel like its a dead end place for newer hires... But I do realize that as pilots we LOVE to female dog!
So, this is my second 121, and comparatively Envoy has a very positive feel. I think there is a general consensus on the line that this is one of the very best regionals a pilot could be at right now. The feeling is that's it's between the WO and Endeavor. There are many rumors out there and basically all of them are positive ones (pay raises, new bases, more flying). There are some very real problems here (pale in comparison to my last 121). All the same, things could be better, should be better, and are trending towards better.
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Old 11-02-2017, 05:46 PM
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We offer a good product and have the performance numbers to show it. Movement is faster here now then it ever has been before. You can count your reserve time on months instead of years. Heck upgrade as fast as you like depending on your experience. We are the primary wo carrier for American and are getting as much flying thrown at us as we can handle.

As the market for pilots becomes more and more competitive so to will the offers from companies. As soon as the number of incoming applications slows down Envoy will react with sweetening the pot. The endeavor factor will be a very interesting to see play out.

Some mgmt is well aware of this being a "pilots" market willing to throw around large sums of money. Others are still stuck in days gone by. The forced upgrade is a blessing and a curse depending on your personal needs and expectations. Single mobile guy = awesome. If you are a well entrenched express jet refugee that lives in one of our Dallas only stations and have kids in kindergarten, 2nd and 4th grade and 3000 hours of 121 PIC but no STS shuttle time and no calls from Delta you are rather screwed. Unless you want to be junior captain for eons in LGA you are SOL. If that's not a problem then who cares.

The ship has by no means sailed. But depending on your expectations and experience it may have cast it's lines. If a steady stream of 121 refugees continue to work there way in then the forced upgreades become irrelevant as there will be a steady stream of recently awarded junior captains below you.

It's important to point out all flow numbers have been quoted on all on the seniority list exclusively flowing to AA and AA continuing to hire at their normal historical rate. Common sense says neither will be true and may negate each other. A percentage of pilots at Envoy which remains to be seen will get hired and move onto other airlines. There isn't a way to predict this but I recall 15 a month being a number thrown around a year ago. As FedEx, Delta, Etc ramp up those numbers may shift. If those guys see more early retkrments it will impact our numbers. No one can really predict what will happen.

In summary the timing could not be better. It's a pilots market and everyone needs to remember that.


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Old 11-02-2017, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by inevitableneb View Post
So, this is my second 121, and comparatively Envoy has a very positive feel. I think there is a general consensus on the line that this is one of the very best regionals a pilot could be at right now. The feeling is that's it's between the WO and Endeavor. There are many rumors out there and basically all of them are positive ones (pay raises, new bases, more flying). There are some very real problems here (pale in comparison to my last 121). All the same, things could be better, should be better, and are trending towards better.
That's really good to know. . . I was at 9E and while it was a pretty good place to be, my commute kind'a killed it and better offer at part 91. It really is good to hear that for the most part Envoy seems to be in a good place right now. It seems like the smart money is to be with a WO . . well, and like was said, Skypest is ALWAYS THE BEST, JUST ASK THEM.... So it sounds like its a pretty good move for me and my family.
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