The purpose of AVIATE is the same as the CPP, get people to come to the UAX regionals, and especially XJT. Jeff/L-CAL made it such a miserable place to work, THEN made it even more miserable in the ASA buy/merge with SKW's money. XJT was hemorrhaging pilots like crazy and they needed a carrot dangle to not only keep pilots, but attract new pilots. Also, it was an attempt to make XJT's labor costs cheaper by clearing out higher longevity pilots. When version 1 of the CPP failed and morale dropped back to pre CPP levels, they came out with the "Streamlined CPP", when that didn't work it became the "Enhanced CPP" or whatever. Somehow people think that being 49% owned (or whatever) by us via the MANA Air shell game is going to fix things. Reading the email that buddy still there shared with me, management now wants concessions, UFB.

Sounds like you're finally starting to get it.

 

News Flash. Some really good people are turned down from OTS interviews. Why is the Aviate program supposed to be different?

 

True, but you'd have a hard time selling the shoot down rates are the same.

What I typed in response to your same point a month or so ago on the SAME ISSUE;

 

I wasn’t that far from getting it in the past. Most of my responses were aimed at people who expressed anger at not getting selected who had issues such as not having a degree, treating the process as a formality rather than an interview, bad attitudes such as thinking that they already fly for United, Delta, etc.... Some people should be shot down. The captains who I have talked with all seem happy with the people that we have been hiring. All of the new hires seem to be doing a great job and have good attitudes. The problem is that we seem to be kicking others cut from the same cloth to the curb. We will never see the data, but I would love to see the actual percentages of rejections, both from the programs and off the street, along with the reasons for rejection.

 

Agreed. You should see some of the people that WERE let in via the CPP

Me too.

But your usual go to line is "well I fly with CA's that do the interviews and all the pilots that get turned down get turned for a reason blah blah blah...".

Which, of course, is true, IN SOME CASES.

But pilots have also been shot down for reasons you're only starting to acknowledge recently.

 

Fair points. All of the airlines have hired some real nut jobs before these programs existed, and now also through the programs. True also about the stories that we hear from interview pilots. We hear about the scary ones who were weeded out, we don’t hear about the highly qualified guy who did all of the prep, checked all of the boxes, and still get rejected. It’s those pilots that I have sympathy for. Those who don’t get the degree, don’t prepare, or who have poor training or service records........not so much.

 

That’s okay, maybe I will turn it into a positive. Maybe I will organize or sponsor an annual TBNTer party. Maybe we should rent the TopGolf in the Woodlands for the Super Bowl or something. Bring your CPP or Aviate rejection letter to get into the venue. FOs will be $15. CAs will be free.
😂😂😂😂😂

 

When I started reading through the legal agreement after being accepted into Aviate I realized 70% of it didn’t apply to me. It applies to college students. The gist of it is you have to get your CFI and be at least a sophomore at a participating university. The participating universities haven’t even been announced yet. Anyway, they are going to start interviewing college sophomores, giving them their sign on bonus and forcing them to go to their regional carriers with the promise of flying for UAL in 2 years after graduation.

Especially with the current MAX scenario, they have no incentive to hire currently qualified pilots. The point of the program is for UAL to get first pick of the guys they want while they are still in college. This will give them position above AA for first pick. Everyone else gets leftovers.

That’s the point of the program. No more. No less.

 

Guess you should go back to college then.

 

Oh yeah why’s that? I have more degrees than I know what to do with.

Or are you referring to “you” as in everyone?