What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
I got here because I (mistakenly) believed working for a contract leading regional would provide opportunities to advance my career. All I've gotten is the privilege to rot in the right seat for 8 years.
When I see 884 painted up like this all I see is another aircraft removed from the Delta contract with 14 more pilot positions at ASA about to vaporize.
When I see 884 painted up like this all I see is another aircraft removed from the Delta contract with 14 more pilot positions at ASA about to vaporize.
-2263
Also note how they applied the company logo BACKWARDS on the tail. Good job ExpressJet. Butcher your own branding.
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 611
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: Reclined seat
Posts: 629
Anyone see the latest ploy to attract new hires?
So this is what desperation looks like. While this'll most likely be an AA aircraft in DFW, I'm sure pilot recruiting will use this aircraft for "road shows." Imagine the excitement this'll create when N884AS (A 15 year old, washed up and ragged 50 seater) rolls up at airports near college campuses/flight schools.
So this is what desperation looks like. While this'll most likely be an AA aircraft in DFW, I'm sure pilot recruiting will use this aircraft for "road shows." Imagine the excitement this'll create when N884AS (A 15 year old, washed up and ragged 50 seater) rolls up at airports near college campuses/flight schools.
I could see the company paying you $120/hr, but yet you would still complain because mainline pilots are making $121/hr.
If you're so miserable here, quit. Show the company that you don't like what they are doing and leave.
I kind of wish they would stop highlighting our performance. We all get it, we have good performance that hasn't led to anything. I did get yo fly a plane yesterday with an EFB mount so that was a nice change.
Last edited by somertime32; 09-24-2015 at 01:07 PM.
It was nice to hear on the Jetstream that they want to wrap up the JCBA. If time is truly of the essence then here is my requirement for a yes vote. If time is not important then I'm happy with the status quo. But they can't expect us to sell out compensation and QOL so they can get a deal fast. My livelyhood and that of my family are too important for me to allow them to play games.
Common Sense Contract Conditions
1 -dual qual based on below:
2 -DAL -900 pay rates, including deadhead, sick and vacation
- 5% credit discount for -700
- 10% credit discount for -200/ERJ (still a substantial increase, the pay concerns of all fleets are addressed and they get dual qual.)
3 -HSA with company covered deductible (may save the company money vs the $1000/employee and PPO options)
4 -10% company contribution to 401k with no matching, additional up to 15% with 5% matching and protection for lxjt with transition to company-wide plan.
5 -Restoration of fragmentation policy
6 -5 hour min day, including training/ALPA/
admin/line check etc. (this is a reduction for the latter two)
7 -Trip/Duty rigs based on scheduled or better
8 -Vacation equivalent:
1year, 1week
2year, 2week
5year, 3week
10year, 4week
9 -minimum 13 days per month
10 -alt deadhead before and after trips without approval and no adjustment in credits
11 -No call for release for reserves
12 -eliminate occurrence system
13 -PTO bank for all absences (combined sick, vaca, PTO)
14 -simple do-fly/don't-fly lists for reserves
15 -RR pays hour-for-hour
16 -RR four days per month max (scheduled)
17 -reserves must be used before line holders to cover flights and any portion of trips
18 -immediate notification for cancellation/release/reroute or must be released
19 -evenly split pairing lengths 1,2,3&4 days w/in 20% of average
20 -eliminate CDOs
21 -all days off hard
22 -moved reserve days and assigned trips on days off pay 200% on guarantee
23 -1 additional day off for single days off for reserves
24 -aggressive pickup for reserves
25 -all additional credits/override/ premium paid on top of guarantee
26 -specific automated, transparent and consistent system for setting min reserve coverage:
-computerized, automated instantaneous swapping/dropping trips per above system and set parameters without Skd intervention
-swapping trips between bases per above system without Skd intervention
27 -elimination of all loose language
28 - reassignment outside of foot print 200%
29 -Elimination of MMG
If they are more serious about a JCBA than they are low-balling us, then let's start here. This would also create a flood of new pilots and improve retention, thus totally eliminating ALL future staffing worries. Higher first year pay and other perks, that either don't help the group as a whole or give the company an out later on, are just temporary stop gaps.
These conditions don't change my plans to leave, but they're necessary for my yes vote.
Common Sense Contract Conditions
1 -dual qual based on below:
2 -DAL -900 pay rates, including deadhead, sick and vacation
- 5% credit discount for -700
- 10% credit discount for -200/ERJ (still a substantial increase, the pay concerns of all fleets are addressed and they get dual qual.)
3 -HSA with company covered deductible (may save the company money vs the $1000/employee and PPO options)
4 -10% company contribution to 401k with no matching, additional up to 15% with 5% matching and protection for lxjt with transition to company-wide plan.
5 -Restoration of fragmentation policy
6 -5 hour min day, including training/ALPA/
admin/line check etc. (this is a reduction for the latter two)
7 -Trip/Duty rigs based on scheduled or better
8 -Vacation equivalent:
1year, 1week
2year, 2week
5year, 3week
10year, 4week
9 -minimum 13 days per month
10 -alt deadhead before and after trips without approval and no adjustment in credits
11 -No call for release for reserves
12 -eliminate occurrence system
13 -PTO bank for all absences (combined sick, vaca, PTO)
14 -simple do-fly/don't-fly lists for reserves
15 -RR pays hour-for-hour
16 -RR four days per month max (scheduled)
17 -reserves must be used before line holders to cover flights and any portion of trips
18 -immediate notification for cancellation/release/reroute or must be released
19 -evenly split pairing lengths 1,2,3&4 days w/in 20% of average
20 -eliminate CDOs
21 -all days off hard
22 -moved reserve days and assigned trips on days off pay 200% on guarantee
23 -1 additional day off for single days off for reserves
24 -aggressive pickup for reserves
25 -all additional credits/override/ premium paid on top of guarantee
26 -specific automated, transparent and consistent system for setting min reserve coverage:
-computerized, automated instantaneous swapping/dropping trips per above system and set parameters without Skd intervention
-swapping trips between bases per above system without Skd intervention
27 -elimination of all loose language
28 - reassignment outside of foot print 200%
29 -Elimination of MMG
If they are more serious about a JCBA than they are low-balling us, then let's start here. This would also create a flood of new pilots and improve retention, thus totally eliminating ALL future staffing worries. Higher first year pay and other perks, that either don't help the group as a whole or give the company an out later on, are just temporary stop gaps.
These conditions don't change my plans to leave, but they're necessary for my yes vote.
Last edited by Grumpyaviator; 09-25-2015 at 07:30 AM.
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 504
You have a right to vent. The end is near for all of us. For some it is the dream job at the airline of their choice. For others, we will wave goodbye to our last RJ as it heads off to be painted in skywest colors and we get our pink slips. But hey, our partners are noticing.
It was nice to hear on the Jetstream that they want to wrap up the JCBA. If time is truly of the essence then here is my requirement for a yes vote. If time is not important then I'm happy with the status quo. But they can't expect us to sell out compensation and QOL so they can get a deal fast. My livelyhood and that of my family are too important for me to allow them to play games.
Common Sense Contract Conditions
1 -dual qual based on below:
2 -DAL -900 pay rates, including deadhead, sick and vacation
- 5% credit discount for -700
- 10% credit discount for -200/ERJ (still a substantial increase, the pay concerns of all fleets are addressed and they get dual qual.)
3 -HSA with company covered deductible (may save the company money vs the $1000/employee and PPO options)
4 -10% company contribution to 401k with no matching, additional up to 15% with 5% matching and protection for lxjt with transition to company-wide plan.
5 -Restoration of fragmentation policy
6 -5 hour min day, including training/ALPA/
admin/line check etc. (this is a reduction for the latter two)
7 -Trip/Duty rigs based on scheduled or better
8 -Vacation equivalent:
1year, 1week
2year, 2week
5year, 3week
10year, 4week
9 -minimum 13 days per month
10 -alt deadhead before and after trips without approval and no adjustment in credits
11 -No call for release for reserves
12 -eliminate occurrence system
13 -PTO bank for all absences (combined sick, vaca, PTO)
14 -simple do-fly/don't-fly lists for reserves
15 -RR pays hour-for-hour
16 -RR four days per month max (scheduled)
17 -reserves must be used before line holders to cover flights and any portion of trips
18 -immediate notification for cancellation/release/reroute or must be released
19 -evenly split pairing lengths 1,2,3&4 days w/in 20% of average
20 -eliminate CDOs
21 -all days off hard
22 -moved reserve days and assigned trips on days off pay 200% on guarantee
23 -1 additional day off for single days off for reserves
24 -aggressive pickup for reserves
25 -all additional credits/override/ premium paid on top of guarantee
26 -specific automated, transparent and consistent system for setting min reserve coverage:
-computerized, automated instantaneous swapping/dropping trips per above system and set parameters without Skd intervention
-swapping trips between bases per above system without Skd intervention
27 -elimination of all loose language
28 - reassignment outside of foot print 200%
29 -Elimination of MMG
If they are more serious about a JCBA than they are low-balling us, then let's start here. This would also create a flood of new pilots and improve retention, thus totally eliminating ALL future staffing worries. Higher first year pay and other perks, that either don't help the group as a whole or give the company an out later on, are just temporary stop gaps.
These conditions don't change my plans to leave, but they're necessary for my yes vote.
Common Sense Contract Conditions
1 -dual qual based on below:
2 -DAL -900 pay rates, including deadhead, sick and vacation
- 5% credit discount for -700
- 10% credit discount for -200/ERJ (still a substantial increase, the pay concerns of all fleets are addressed and they get dual qual.)
3 -HSA with company covered deductible (may save the company money vs the $1000/employee and PPO options)
4 -10% company contribution to 401k with no matching, additional up to 15% with 5% matching and protection for lxjt with transition to company-wide plan.
5 -Restoration of fragmentation policy
6 -5 hour min day, including training/ALPA/
admin/line check etc. (this is a reduction for the latter two)
7 -Trip/Duty rigs based on scheduled or better
8 -Vacation equivalent:
1year, 1week
2year, 2week
5year, 3week
10year, 4week
9 -minimum 13 days per month
10 -alt deadhead before and after trips without approval and no adjustment in credits
11 -No call for release for reserves
12 -eliminate occurrence system
13 -PTO bank for all absences (combined sick, vaca, PTO)
14 -simple do-fly/don't-fly lists for reserves
15 -RR pays hour-for-hour
16 -RR four days per month max (scheduled)
17 -reserves must be used before line holders to cover flights and any portion of trips
18 -immediate notification for cancellation/release/reroute or must be released
19 -evenly split pairing lengths 1,2,3&4 days w/in 20% of average
20 -eliminate CDOs
21 -all days off hard
22 -moved reserve days and assigned trips on days off pay 200% on guarantee
23 -1 additional day off for single days off for reserves
24 -aggressive pickup for reserves
25 -all additional credits/override/ premium paid on top of guarantee
26 -specific automated, transparent and consistent system for setting min reserve coverage:
-computerized, automated instantaneous swapping/dropping trips per above system and set parameters without Skd intervention
-swapping trips between bases per above system without Skd intervention
27 -elimination of all loose language
28 - reassignment outside of foot print 200%
29 -Elimination of MMG
If they are more serious about a JCBA than they are low-balling us, then let's start here. This would also create a flood of new pilots and improve retention, thus totally eliminating ALL future staffing worries. Higher first year pay and other perks, that either don't help the group as a whole or give the company an out later on, are just temporary stop gaps.
These conditions don't change my plans to leave, but they're necessary for my yes vote.
Good grief, are you going to be disappointed. Unrealistic stances like this are the reason we are where we are. Let's just totally price ourselves out of the market and not only never win any new contracts, but we will lose every contract we have. Good luck with your demands.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post