What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-23-2013, 10:57 AM
#3681
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
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Originally Posted by Vertisch
I am not understanding how were up against Skywest. Isn't their agreement with their pilot group that they just get ASA contract plus 1%?
07-23-2013, 11:06 AM
#3682
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If management can't compete without concessions than they need to shut the place down. It will take at least two years to wind down and we'll all have jobs by then. If their cost structure is that bad, no amount of concessions will save this place anyhow. Ask Comair.
Shut it down. Max pay to the last day.
Shut it down. Max pay to the last day.
07-23-2013, 11:07 AM
#3683
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,966
I said this on another thread but I think it applies here: Anyone who thinks our paychecks are the difference between a profit and a loss need to keep two things in mind: Southwest and Colgan. Southwest = some of the best compensated employees in the business and they make money hand over fist. Colgan had some of the worst compensated employees in the business and well...where are they now? Effective and efficient leadership is the multiplier that has a far greater impact on the bottom line than your or my paycheck. That is really about all there is too it. Until now, labor has been the low hanging fruit. It's been far easier to divide, conquer and beat us down than to make any meaningful gains to the overall efficiency of the operation. I hope that is starting to change
07-23-2013, 11:13 AM
#3684
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It's very important we all call our reps and tell them **** no to concessions. Don't let Joe Merchant be the only one they hear from!
07-23-2013, 11:20 AM
#3685
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Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,447
Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
I said this on another thread but I think it applies here: Anyone who thinks our paychecks are the difference between a profit and a loss need to keep two things in mind: Southwest and Colgan. Southwest = some of the best compensated employees in the business and they make money hand over fist. Colgan had some of the worst compensated employees in the business and well...where are they now? Effective and efficient leadership is the multiplier that has a far greater impact on the bottom line than your or my paycheck. That is really about all there is too it. Until now, labor has been the low hanging fruit. It's been far easier to divide, conquer and beat us down than to make any meaningful gains to the overall efficiency of the operation. I hope that is starting to change
07-23-2013, 11:37 AM
#3686
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 7ER B...whatever that means.
Posts: 3,966
Originally Posted by Saabs
That is a horrible analogy - one is a contract carrier who had a set negotiated income. Colgan was losing money before they got the new pilot contract that didn't last long. If anything ur analogy made it seem like our increase in compensation mad colgan go under.
07-23-2013, 11:45 AM
#3687
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To our Expressjet and ASA brothers and sisters.
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07-23-2013, 12:00 PM
#3688
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Position: Airbus button pusher
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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy
Fine. Compare Southwest to anyone you want. Point is, you can pay your employees commensurate with their qualifications and experience AND make money. A fair, livable wage and profitability are not mutually exclusive. As soon as we can ALL tell management to look in the mirror next time they want to cut costs, the better off we will be. I, for one, am tired of watching this company fart away stupid amounts of money through mindless inefficiency and then they tell me I am the reason we aren't cost competitive. Just makes my blood boil.
07-23-2013, 01:46 PM
#3689
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Position: French-Canadian
Posts: 2,101
So for those that thought the whole hold up was a bidding system, here ya go! Management was waiting for concession talks to start elsewhere and then trow you in the pool. Welcome to the club, the SKW boys better not get to comfy because they will get their very soon. SKW inc has to park well over 200 aircraft in the next 2 1/2 years for United and Delta to comply with SCOPE, the pilots aren't there to replace the mainline attrition so shrinkage is inevitable. Stand your ground!
07-23-2013, 02:30 PM
#3690
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
If management can't compete without concessions than they need to shut the place down. It will take at least two years to wind down and we'll all have jobs by then. If their cost structure is that bad, no amount of concessions will save this place anyhow. Ask Comair.
Shut it down. Max pay to the last day.
Shut it down. Max pay to the last day.
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