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Old 07-27-2013 | 09:42 PM
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I wonder how long Galt will get in Part III, it only takes 3 hours to read his speech, 5 minutes?
Old 07-28-2013 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ross9238
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I am not at all threatened or have taken the "fear grenade." I think in this matter, time might be on our side than theirs (management). I was just saying that from the union e-mail, they threw "Comair" in there and I have feeling that they (the union heads) think that might be our outcome.
The mention of Comair stood out to me too. That second email sounded to my experienced ears like a union's first salvo at lowering expectations before they cave. It was nothing about "FUPM we're going to fight this".
Old 07-28-2013 | 06:43 AM
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Management's intent is clear. They leaked it when they said the pilot group is too senior.
Old 07-28-2013 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MR JT8D
Management's intent is clear. They leaked it when they said the pilot group is too senior.
If they want costs down and are too senior, why not set up a flow. I'm sure plenty of guys are itching to get out. Same logistics apply to compass. Low seniority equals low pay.

They are trying to be too greedy and going for the double whammy. Flows and concession pay for the lifers and whoever they keep. If not, then just concessions.

I'll burn this place down before concessions.
Old 07-28-2013 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MR JT8D
Management's intent is clear. They leaked it when they said the pilot group is too senior.
If you're going to constantly post flamebait, at least learn from those of us who are experts at it and improve your material.
Old 07-28-2013 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by yimke
If they want costs down and are too senior, why not set up a flow. I'm sure plenty of guys are itching to get out. Same logistics apply to compass. Low seniority equals low pay.

They are trying to be too greedy and going for the double whammy. Flows and concession pay for the lifers and whoever they keep. If not, then just concessions.

I'll burn this place down before concessions.
I honestly believe management's intention is to shut this place down. There is no way they will ever get rid of the top 30% or so, even with a flow through. These same guys endure the -200 just to preserve their seniority instead of bidding ATL -700. There is no way they are going to flow to mainline and "start over".

Management is asking for these concessions because they know its a poison pill that will never pass muster. They want us to shoot it down and begin the graveyard spiral. and if by some miracle it passes, they will be back for more next year. Comair was mentioned because it is the template for this process of seniority elimination. It will happen here, mark my words. In a situation like this, our best course of action is to let it run its course and take max pay to the last day. But unfortunately, I expect our union (run by that top 30%) to swallow the hook in hope of avoiding this demise. Which of course Comair proved is impossible.

Albert Einstein once said that the definition of insanity is making the same mistakes, expecting a different result every time. By this definition, ALPA is insane.
Old 07-28-2013 | 07:41 AM
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Why is everyone talking about flows nowadays? Delta has no interest in flows since their new children don't even have one. United doesn't have any and AA only does for their wholly owned. Flows won't happen anymore and I really doubt Delta cares about XJT at this point since there are plenty of other carriers who are cheaper at this point to do the lift. You guys need to figure something else out quick and get a contract done already! Everyone else is setting themselves up yet XJT can't decide on pbs and is severly behind the power curve. Slywest can only do so much to keep you guys a float. Good luck I really wish you guys the best.
Old 07-28-2013 | 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
Why is everyone talking about flows nowadays? Delta has no interest in flows since their new children don't even have one. United doesn't have any and AA only does for their wholly owned. Flows won't happen anymore and I really doubt Delta cares about XJT at this point since there are plenty of other carriers who are cheaper at this point to do the lift. You guys need to figure something else out quick and get a contract done already! Everyone else is setting themselves up yet XJT can't decide on pbs and is severly behind the power curve. Slywest can only do so much to keep you guys a float. Good luck I really wish you guys the best.
Why do all of you guys over at SkyPest think we need to keep the company afloat? I hope XJT closes the doors and takes SkyWest down with us. A vast majority of XJT pilots plan to vote with our feet ASAP. Good luck, I really wish you guys the best.
Old 07-28-2013 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Why do all of you guys over at SkyPest think we need to keep the company afloat? I hope XJT closes the doors and takes SkyWest down with us. A vast majority of XJT pilots plan to vote with our feet ASAP. Good luck, I really wish you guys the best.
I don't work at Skypest but this is hard to keep reading about. The contract issue is really screwing you guys I fear.
Old 07-28-2013 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
The mention of Comair stood out to me too. That second email sounded to my experienced ears like a union's first salvo at lowering expectations before they cave. It was nothing about "FUPM we're going to fight this".
Not to point fingers because they both signed it, however the majority of the XJT MEC never had plans of retiring at XJT. The ASA MEC on the other hand (The impression I got) was they had a higher % of "lifers". It's just an observation on my part and I guess it doesn't mean all that much, but just something to think about
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