What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
03-24-2014, 12:03 AM
#5421
Da Hudge
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Originally Posted by Leroy Smith
If the IP address you are using is outside of the country.
03-24-2014, 03:06 AM
#5422
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Originally Posted by Leroy Smith
If the IP address you are using is outside of the country.
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
well within the realm of someone flying for expressjet...
03-24-2014, 05:44 AM
#5423
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A chart from Bombardier's C Series update is interesting.
That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.
There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).
It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.
It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.
Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.
That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.
There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).
It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.
It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.
Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.
03-24-2014, 06:32 AM
#5424
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Originally Posted by Leroy Smith
If the IP address you are using is outside of the country.
03-24-2014, 07:33 AM
#5425
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
A chart from Bombardier's C Series update is interesting.
That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.
There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).
It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.
It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.
Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.
That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.
There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).
It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.
It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.
Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.
If there is any idea that allows pilots to have a good career, management will not want any part of it. They want cheap, broken pilots. Broken spirit, broken backs, broken bank accounts. There is a huge (management) upside to pilots who only continue in the regionals due to future hope... until that stops working, then you have a real problem.
03-24-2014, 08:25 AM
#5426
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Originally Posted by CaptainNameless
If there is any idea that allows pilots to have a good career, management will not want any part of it. They want cheap, broken pilots. Broken spirit, broken backs, broken bank accounts. There is a huge (management) upside to pilots who only continue in the regionals due to future hope... until that stops working, then you have a real problem.
03-24-2014, 08:55 AM
#5427
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
A chart from Bombardier's C Series update is interesting.
That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.
There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).
It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.
It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.
Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.
That bump around 50 seats communicates to me that the death of the 50 seat platforms may be exaggerated (and Delta prefers to offer less capacity than demand to keep prices up). There will continue to be a market, perhaps not as large a market, but there is a market for that unit of capacity.
There are going to be problems staffing express carriers if the new ATP rule survives. Carriers (A4A) are already spinning up their lobbying efforts to roll back the rule, or amend it to allow a "Restricted ATP" who can only serve in a multi pilot crew environment (think intern > mentor, instead of FO / Captain).
It is too early to take any positions on the concept, but, my thought is that the better path is to make "express" jobs positions within the branded mainline carrier. There is no shortage of applicants at the legacy mainline carriers. One way to staff express positions, without lowering standards, is to assimilate the pilots already at the express carriers and replace them with pilots within the brand's seniority list as new hires come on board the branded express carrier.
It was a simple matter for Pan Am to extend it's seniority list down to capture Ransome (Pan Am Express) and some of those pilots retired from Delta Air Lines having enjoyed a tremendous career.
Only ALPA has the ability to reasonably facilitate such a vision. This is an opportunity for ALPA to provide real leadership and for ALPA membership to mean something again.
Why don't you write a resolution and bring it to your next LEC/MEC meeting. Because unless it comes from DALPA it's DOA.
03-24-2014, 09:12 AM
#5428
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One 737 600 or 900 would fit that seating capacity range.
03-24-2014, 09:25 AM
#5429
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Why don't you write a resolution and bring it to your next LEC/MEC meeting. Because unless it comes from DALPA it's DOA.
Why don't you write a resolution and bring it to your next LEC/MEC meeting. Because unless it comes from DALPA it's DOA.
1. There is a perceived belief amongst DALPA, Delta pilots, and Delta management that Delta pilots are "the best of the best". Because of this, any single list is DOA.
2. Not withstanding point number 1, any single list would likely only happen with wholly owned carriers who only fly for that carrier. Skywest Inc. and RAH aren't in a position to do this.
Opportunities sometimes present themselves and these windows of opportunity don't always remain open. The window for this opportunity was wide open back in 2000 when the PID was filed. DALPA made it clear at that time that regional pilots aren't the same caliber as Delta pilots. IMO, this was a mistake, and the window of opportunity is now closed.
03-24-2014, 10:09 AM
#5430
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
BB and Cpt. Tony, while I support you efforts and always have, there are two major obstacles.
1. There is a perceived belief amongst DALPA, Delta pilots, and Delta management that Delta pilots are "the best of the best". Because of this, any single list is DOA.
2. Not withstanding point number 1, any single list would likely only happen with wholly owned carriers who only fly for that carrier. Skywest Inc. and RAH aren't in a position to do this.
Opportunities sometimes present themselves and these windows of opportunity don't always remain open. The window for this opportunity was wide open back in 2000 when the PID was filed. DALPA made it clear at that time that regional pilots aren't the same caliber as Delta pilots. IMO, this was a mistake, and the window of opportunity is now closed.
1. There is a perceived belief amongst DALPA, Delta pilots, and Delta management that Delta pilots are "the best of the best". Because of this, any single list is DOA.
2. Not withstanding point number 1, any single list would likely only happen with wholly owned carriers who only fly for that carrier. Skywest Inc. and RAH aren't in a position to do this.
Opportunities sometimes present themselves and these windows of opportunity don't always remain open. The window for this opportunity was wide open back in 2000 when the PID was filed. DALPA made it clear at that time that regional pilots aren't the same caliber as Delta pilots. IMO, this was a mistake, and the window of opportunity is now closed.
It was all a moot point anyway because management wAs never going to merge the airlines. DALPA had no say on merging the lists.
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