Originally Posted by NVUS

Anyone that can read a 10K filing can see exactly what's going on. XJT lost $50M last year, while SkyWest made $130M. SkyWest is ADDING to its 50-seaters because they turn a sizeable profit on them. Went from 154 in March to 160 currently (and counting). The only effect XJT has on the SKW side is pay. Hard for the company to shell out some raises for the side turning record profits when those profits are needed to cover the losses on the other side plus having enough left over to keep the investors happy.

Originally Posted by air101

I think this is why people at OO think negatively of you guys. Nobody is wishing harm upon you, nobody is blaming you for anything. But the facts are the facts. You guys are not making money. There is no way United is going to make changes to the CPA. United wants to get rid of 50 seaters. It's business. If your business is losing money, you don't throw more money at it just to make the pilots happy in a feel good moment. You have to make tough choices to help reduce the loss and right the ship. Nobody is hoping you guys are all out of a job, nobody is hoping that you guys get stapled to the bottom of our seniority list. But we can no longer tolerate the excessive losses that are attributed to the L-XJ side of the operation. There are no good solutions or no answers that will make everyone happy, but the losses can't be sustained.

Originally Posted by NVUS

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Originally Posted by PeezDog


We are all well aware that the 50 seat airplane is being reduced. Although United doesn't seem to be in a rush to get rid of them. You fail to see that you also have 50 seat airplanes. You also fail to see that when one airline owned by Inc loses money, it also affects you. You are not immune to the negative effects of poor business management. No matter how much you'd like to think so bc your airline's name shares the name of the holding company that owns you. If I were you, I'd be directing your concerns towards your management. Which is different from ours and Inc. You are also just a piece of the pie that is viewed only as dollar signs. Not equals, as you may think. This could have a negative impact on that side of the operation as well. Inc issues one single financIal report, not separate. So if Inc looses money, everyone should be concerned. As others said too, there are no publicly and legal numbers published numbers for the separate sides. So no one really knows for sure what is going on. Let's not forget the wipsaw game that has been and continues to be played as is evident currently.




Anyone that can read a 10K filing can see exactly what's going on. XJT lost $50M last year, while SkyWest made $130M. SkyWest is ADDING to its 50-seaters because they turn a sizeable profit on them. Went from 154 in March to 160 currently (and counting). The only effect XJT has on the SKW side is pay. Hard for the company to shell out some raises for the side turning record profits when those profits are needed to cover the losses on the other side plus having enough left over to keep the investors happy.

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Skywest INC would have been smart to never touch XJT in bankruptcy. They were doing quite well with just Skywest and ASA. They wanted to try to compete with republic when they purchased frontier. We all know how well that work for the republic guys. Now the guys and gals at ASA are suffering thanks to a poor business decision to buy XJT.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

The facts suggest ASA is suffering because it’s loosing planes to larger ones and Delta. The facts would also suggest that Delta moved planes from it’s wholly owned, Comair to ASA. Woe to ASA for losing planes it acquired from Comair. The facts also suggest that Endeavour is Delta’s current wholly owned and hasn’t gone on strike and works for less than ASA. Hardly anything to do with SkyWest or ExpressJet.

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Actually the facts suggest that INC bought a turd. XJT rolled over on their contract not to have a single seniority list with all carriers, ASA got stuck with the short end of the stick and the guys that were in bankruptcy cry they are being treated unfairly.

ASA gets the scraps left over that Skywest can't cover. That's why they got IAD flying for United. That's why they got American flying in DFW. ASA took a 1 for 2 trade on 50 seaters for the 900s and had some aircraft get extended contracts. The only thing XJT has done for ASA is cost them money, make them change their uniforms and make bad blood.
XJT guys moaned in the crew vans, talked poorly about the ASA guys on the pipe, said the ASA guys would roll over on the TA, then they were proven wrong and now claim a great victory.
It sure would be nice if the XJT guys would look positively at ASA and realize if it weren't for them they would probably be out of jobs. Not to mention they are lucky ASA was ALPA and not their own representation, then there wouldn't be any language about fair seniority come integration time. I just get tired of reading this thread and the constant amount of whine and belittling.

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Actually the facts suggest that INC bought a turd. XJT rolled over on their contract not to have a single seniority list with all carriers, ASA got stuck with the short end of the stick and the guys that were in bankruptcy cry they are being treated unfairly.

ASA gets the scraps left over that Skywest can't cover. That's why they got IAD flying for United. That's why they got American flying in DFW. ASA took a 1 for 2 trade on 50 seaters for the 900s and had some aircraft get extended contracts. The only thing XJT has done for ASA is cost them money, make them change their uniforms and make bad blood.
XJT guys moaned in the crew vans, talked poorly about the ASA guys on the pipe, said the ASA guys would roll over on the TA, then they were proven wrong and now claim a great victory.
It sure would be nice if the XJT guys would look positively at ASA and realize if it weren't for them they would probably be out of jobs. Not to mention they are lucky ASA was ALPA and not their own representation, then there wouldn't be any language about fair seniority come integration time. I just get tired of reading this thread and the constant amount of whine and belittling.

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

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Originally Posted by Waitingformins


The facts suggest ASA is suffering because it’s loosing planes to larger ones and Delta. The facts would also suggest that Delta moved planes from it’s wholly owned, Comair to ASA. Woe to ASA for losing planes it acquired from Comair. The facts also suggest that Endeavour is Delta’s current wholly owned and hasn’t gone on strike and works for less than ASA. Hardly anything to do with SkyWest or ExpressJet.




Actually the facts suggest that INC bought a turd. XJT rolled over on their contract not to have a single seniority list with all carriers, ASA got stuck with the short end of the stick and the guys that were in bankruptcy cry they are being treated unfairly.

ASA gets the scraps left over that Skywest can't cover. That's why they got IAD flying for United. That's why they got American flying in DFW. ASA took a 1 for 2 trade on 50 seaters for the 900s and had some aircraft get extended contracts. The only thing XJT has done for ASA is cost them money, make them change their uniforms and make bad blood.
XJT guys moaned in the crew vans, talked poorly about the ASA guys on the pipe, said the ASA guys would roll over on the TA, then they were proven wrong and now claim a great victory.
It sure would be nice if the XJT guys would look positively at ASA and realize if it weren't for them they would probably be out of jobs. Not to mention they are lucky ASA was ALPA and not their own representation, then there wouldn't be any language about fair seniority come integration time. I just get tired of reading this thread and the constant amount of whine and belittling.