What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
05-07-2014 | 10:18 AM
#5961
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Skywest Inc negotiated the turd CPA that XJT operates under. Skywest inc negotiated the 2nd lowest clause in the turd CPA ASA operates under. This is all management's doing.
Next, no one was in bankruptcy.
Next, XJT doesn't cost ASA anything. Reference my comment above. Skywest Inc management are responsible for both money losing CPAs that XJT and ASA operate under.
Next, XJT didn't force any uniform changes. That was management. Get over it already, you fashionista. We got stuck with a lame call sign that has nothing to do with ASA. But whatever, I'll use banana as a call sign if they pay me.
Next, there was moaning on all sides. Many "get on board" type statements.
Next, it's a fact that the XJT pilots were taking a WAY BIGGER concession on that TA. It's a pretty safe bet that the overwhelming majority of the NO votes came from the XJT side. Especially considering the "get on board" mentality from the ASA side.
Next, the XJT jobs have NOTHING to do with ASA.
Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.
The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
Next, no one was in bankruptcy.
Next, XJT doesn't cost ASA anything. Reference my comment above. Skywest Inc management are responsible for both money losing CPAs that XJT and ASA operate under.
Next, XJT didn't force any uniform changes. That was management. Get over it already, you fashionista. We got stuck with a lame call sign that has nothing to do with ASA. But whatever, I'll use banana as a call sign if they pay me.
Next, there was moaning on all sides. Many "get on board" type statements.
Next, it's a fact that the XJT pilots were taking a WAY BIGGER concession on that TA. It's a pretty safe bet that the overwhelming majority of the NO votes came from the XJT side. Especially considering the "get on board" mentality from the ASA side.
Next, the XJT jobs have NOTHING to do with ASA.
Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.
The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
GMAFB.........
05-07-2014 | 10:28 AM
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lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
05-07-2014 | 10:32 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
Skywest Inc negotiated the turd CPA that XJT operates under. Skywest inc negotiated the 2nd lowest clause in the turd CPA ASA operates under. This is all management's doing.
Next, no one was in bankruptcy.
Next, XJT doesn't cost ASA anything. Reference my comment above. Skywest Inc management are responsible for both money losing CPAs that XJT and ASA operate under.
Next, XJT didn't force any uniform changes. That was management. Get over it already, you fashionista. We got stuck with a lame call sign that has nothing to do with ASA. But whatever, I'll use banana as a call sign if they pay me.
Next, there was moaning on all sides. Many "get on board" type statements.
Next, it's a fact that the XJT pilots were taking a WAY BIGGER concession on that TA. It's a pretty safe bet that the overwhelming majority of the NO votes came from the XJT side. Especially considering the "get on board" mentality from the ASA side.
Next, the XJT jobs have NOTHING to do with ASA.
Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.
The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
SkyWest inc is to blame for Ukraine, Skywest Inc is to blame for high gas prices and lastly Skywest inc is to blame for your "lack of john"
GMAFB.........
Originally Posted by Nevets
Skywest Inc negotiated the turd CPA that XJT operates under. Skywest inc negotiated the 2nd lowest clause in the turd CPA ASA operates under. This is all management's doing.
Next, no one was in bankruptcy.
Next, XJT doesn't cost ASA anything. Reference my comment above. Skywest Inc management are responsible for both money losing CPAs that XJT and ASA operate under.
Next, XJT didn't force any uniform changes. That was management. Get over it already, you fashionista. We got stuck with a lame call sign that has nothing to do with ASA. But whatever, I'll use banana as a call sign if they pay me.
Next, there was moaning on all sides. Many "get on board" type statements.
Next, it's a fact that the XJT pilots were taking a WAY BIGGER concession on that TA. It's a pretty safe bet that the overwhelming majority of the NO votes came from the XJT side. Especially considering the "get on board" mentality from the ASA side.
Next, the XJT jobs have NOTHING to do with ASA.
Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.
The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
SkyWest inc is to blame for Ukraine, Skywest Inc is to blame for high gas prices and lastly Skywest inc is to blame for your "lack of john"
GMAFB.........
Last edited by Nevets; 05-07-2014 at 10:46 AM.
05-07-2014 | 10:33 AM
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I think his tone was suggesting that SkyWest INC is still suffering from contracts back from when a regional feed surplus existed. I am sure they negotiated the best they could at the time. So now who’s left holding the baby? It’s not any one pilot’s group fault more than the other, but the facts are Skw inc is not losing money they can pay their bills and the sky is not falling (no pun). There is no way to tell what should’ve, would’ve or could’ve happened had they not bought XJT or ASA. I could speculate Pinnacle would have never tried to size up, and all three of those careers would still exist maintaining competitive pressure.
05-07-2014 | 10:37 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Slats
SkyWest inc is to blame for Ukraine, Skywest Inc is to blame for high gas prices and lastly Skywest inc is to blame for your "lack of john"
GMAFB.........
lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
Originally Posted by Slats
SkyWest inc is to blame for Ukraine, Skywest Inc is to blame for high gas prices and lastly Skywest inc is to blame for your "lack of john"
GMAFB.........
lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
Also, the 25% clause was exercised by CAL in order to increase their leverage in the rate reset clause they were in the midst of negating with XJT. The XJT CEO called their bluff, CAL pulled the trigger, and the XJT CEO played his last card in the last right of refusal clause. Ultimately CAL had the last laugh but that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Skywest lowball whipsaw bid.
Last edited by Nevets; 05-07-2014 at 10:48 AM.
05-07-2014 | 10:40 AM
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lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
05-07-2014 | 11:35 AM
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Fair and equitable integration? How about you ask the ALPA represented AirTran pilot group about fair and equitable.
05-07-2014 | 11:45 AM
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lol right. It's just the blame game. They fail to realize just how dire their financial position was when Inc purchased them in 2010, November 12th to be exact. The 7-year CPA that was signed was done in 2008, when SkyWest originally attempted to buy out ExpressJet, but failed due to the new CPA being signed with Continental at the time. They ended their independent ExpressJet operations and furloughed 347 pilots in 2008, I guess this is SkyWest's fault too. Fact of the matter is, ExpressJet had been on the decline financially ever since they were spun off from Continental in 2002. In 2005 Continental was set to reduce the fleet by 69 aircraft and that's when they got the bright idea to operate them independently. That was the beginning of the end.
05-07-2014 | 12:12 PM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevets
Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.
The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
You seriously need to learn how to multi-quote. It is sad that you have as many posts as you do and you are too ignorant to figure out how to quote people properly.
Fair and equitable integration? How about you ask the ALPA represented AirTran pilot group about fair and equitable.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Next, even if ASA wasn't ALPA, federal law requires a fair and equitable integration.
The ONLY thing you got correct is that they XJT MEC rolled over on enforcing our holding letter.
You seriously need to learn how to multi-quote. It is sad that you have as many posts as you do and you are too ignorant to figure out how to quote people properly.
Fair and equitable integration? How about you ask the ALPA represented AirTran pilot group about fair and equitable.
Anyway, I'm on my phone and this app doesn't seem to be user friendly when it comes to quoting. But if you have such a big problem with it, oh well.
05-07-2014 | 02:48 PM
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From: ERJ, CA
As previously posted.
XJT is the airline that could not:
book a hotel or deadhead correctly for three months
cannot pay employees correctly without involving multiple people and departments
keep track of deadheads
That is:
losing newhires at an unprecedented rate
paying 200% instead of actually planning for staffing
XJT is the airline that could not:
book a hotel or deadhead correctly for three months
cannot pay employees correctly without involving multiple people and departments
keep track of deadheads
That is:
losing newhires at an unprecedented rate
paying 200% instead of actually planning for staffing
Last edited by bedrock; 05-07-2014 at 03:08 PM.
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