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Old 06-07-2014, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by xjtpilot
The MEC has to follow what the members (pilots) want and not what the individual MEC members want.
ANOTHER crew lounge legal expert!!!

Actually, if you ever bothered to read the ALPA Constitution&Bylaws, you would know that an LEC (member) can NOT mandate an MEC member. The MEC members (also ALPA BOD members) are the highest governing body in the union, and they are autonomous to make decisions they feel are in the best interests of their pilot group and the Association. The only recourse the LEC (you) have is to organize a recall.

I suppose you think your Congressman should call thousands of constituents every time he has to make an important decision too? LMAO!!!!
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Old 06-08-2014, 12:25 AM
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It would be easy to put out an internet pol every time before a vote...
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:39 AM
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You won't find me there. But keep insulting me while hiding behind an anonymous screen name Mr Internet tough guy. LOL!
Originally Posted by Bassman1985
Apples and oranges. The UAW workers were grossly overpaid for the job they did. Knocking together crappy GM cars for $73 an hour plus lavish benefits and pensions? They made more than just about any regional pilot. We are already grossly underpaid, and mgmt wants us to make even less when demand for our skills is at an all-time high? FUPM!
Turn off fox news there buddy. UAW employees do NOT, nor have they ever earned $73/hr.
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:41 AM
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But my point is that, as an employee, I don't have any responsibility to our ceo's other employees. His immoral business decisions have more consequences on his employees than my one vote.




I agree with your right to form your own opinion. You have to decide the limit of your responsibility for yourself. "Moral business" is a bit of an oxymoron, which sounds much more flippant than I honestly intend.
Well, I didn't actually say anything about opinions. Of course we are entitled to them. And I understand that I'm responsible for my own actions as they pertain to me and my family. I don't have any fiduciary responsibility to anyone else other than my family. But you still failed to answer my question about our CEO and his responsibilities to his employees. Aren't his decisions more consequential on his own employees than my one out of 4500 vote?

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What is XJT 401K match? What is your sick and vacation accrual rate? What are your insurance premiums? What is your per diem as well?
401k match
<5 100% up to 4%
5<10 100% up to 5%
10+ 100% up to 6%

Defined Contribution
<5 2.5%
5<10 4%
10<15 5%
15<20 5.5%
20+ 6.0 %

Sick accrual is 5 hours per month.

Vacation accrual
1 year 7 days
2-6 years 14 days
7-10 years 21 days
11+ years 28 days

Per diem $1.80

Premiums are capped at 25% maximum.

We also have an OJI bank of 400 hours. And a very good LTD plan as well. Those are huge as well.

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Old 06-08-2014, 10:15 AM
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For the life of me, I cannot understand why ASA guys come on here and try to persuade XJT guys that they are too expensive. To my mind, ASA labor is too cheap. Hell, XJT labor is too cheap! Your pilot group stood up last autumn, guys--it would benefit all of us if you were to stop undermining their achievement by airing your pessimism so publicly.
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Well, I didn't actually say anything about opinions. Of course we are entitled to them. And I understand that I'm responsible for my own actions as they pertain to me and my family. I don't have any fiduciary responsibility to anyone else other than my family. But you still failed to answer my question about our CEO and his responsibilities to his employees. Aren't his decisions more consequential on his own employees than my one out of 4500 vote?



401k match
<5 100% up to 4%
5<10 100% up to 5%
10+ 100% up to 6%

Defined Contribution
<5 2.5%
5<10 4%
10<15 5%
15<20 5.5%
20+ 6.0 %

Sick accrual is 5 hours per month.

Vacation accrual
1 year 7 days
2-6 years 14 days
7-10 years 21 days
11+ years 28 days

Per diem $1.80

Premiums are capped at 25% maximum.

We also have an OJI bank of 400 hours. And a very good LTD plan as well. Those are huge as well.
I want to add that:

The DC (Defined Contribution) plan is an additional quarterly payout into your 401k fund. In my case, it’s an extra $4500 annually. This payout grows with your regular 401k match and contribution and if you think about it over long term, the DC plan can worth be hundreds of thousands of dollars.

The LTD plan that pays 55% of 80 hours (tax free) up to age 65 if a pilot loses his/her medical certificate and up to two years for psychological leaves (depression). Any other income that does not require an FAA Medical Certificate will not offset this payout. So, if you are getting 3000 a month from LTD, and you are able to pursue another career, you can still collect the 3000 until you age 65. Why would you not want something to protect your income if you lose your medical? I think most Legacy carriers have this type of plan.
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by antbar01
For the life of me, I cannot understand why ASA guys come on here and try to persuade XJT guys that they are too expensive. To my mind, ASA labor is too cheap. Hell, XJT labor is too cheap! Your pilot group stood up last autumn, guys--it would benefit all of us if you were to stop undermining their achievement by airing your pessimism so publicly.
The majors have had their jet pilot B scale for 20+ years. It got too expensive, and now they are doing what is left to churn it to back to the bottom. It's pointless to think the regionals have any future beyond setting completely false labor rates in a universe the mainlines wish actually existed. Someone called what is happening at Endeavor a "science experiment." All the regionals are now some version of this experiment, and the senior regionals are doomed one way or another.

The best thing that could happen to the US pilot workforce is foreign carriers opening more US domiciles to source what pilot labor they can. Then the true cost of pilot labor will be fully realized.
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Old 06-08-2014, 11:35 AM
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The best thing that could happen to the US pilot workforce is foreign carriers opening more US domiciles to source what pilot labor they can
This is happening now, and I think it will only accelerate...it is only a matter of time until the ME carriers have US pilot bases. The first crack in the ME carriers' armor (of only basing their pilots in the ME) is that Etihad is now allowing come pilots to commute on a month on/month off schedule.
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Old 06-08-2014, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by antbar01
For the life of me, I cannot understand why ASA guys come on here and try to persuade XJT guys that they are too expensive. To my mind, ASA labor is too cheap. Hell, XJT labor is too cheap! Your pilot group stood up last autumn, guys--it would benefit all of us if you were to stop undermining their achievement by airing your pessimism so publicly.
Well, that's not entirely true. Based on revenues XJT earns for its services it indeed is too high, and is way above industry standards. Now, should XJT charge more or do other Regionals pay too little? Those are different discussions. But your statement as a stand alone thought is incorrect.
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Old 06-08-2014, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by antbar01
For the life of me, I cannot understand why ASA guys come on here and try to persuade XJT guys that they are too expensive. To my mind, ASA labor is too cheap. Hell, XJT labor is too cheap! Your pilot group stood up last autumn, guys--it would benefit all of us if you were to stop undermining their achievement by airing your pessimism so publicly.
"Too expensive" is subjective. If no one is willing to fund current book, then you are too expensive. I haven't heard anyone throw down the gauntlet yet... It does seem, however, that the rumor mill is churning out that LXJT needs to show up seriously ready to negotiate....and soon.
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