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06-06-2014 | 07:40 AM
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Can't you guys just negotiate to get the same contract that Skywest has or is that a bad thing?
06-06-2014 | 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Honestly, I think you guys should just pull the trigger and approach management with stand alone section 6 negotiations and take the concessions your side is willing to screw the rest of us with and call it a day already.
No concessions off the L-ASA contract are on the table. I resent your unfounded accusation that we are going to attempt to take concessions to undercut you. You have officially gone off the deep end. Get a grip on reality Luis.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Honestly, I think you guys should just pull the trigger and approach management with stand alone section 6 negotiations and take the concessions your side is willing to screw the rest of us with and call it a day already.
No concessions off the L-ASA contract are on the table. I resent your unfounded accusation that we are going to attempt to take concessions to undercut you. You have officially gone off the deep end. Get a grip on reality Luis.
Anyway, anything less than what we have in our better contract is a concession. It would be like PDT agreeing to anything that isn't equivalent to Envoy in order to "live another day."
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Honestly, I think you guys should just pull the trigger and approach management with stand alone section 6 negotiations and take the concessions your side is willing to screw the rest of us with and call it a day already.
You mean like in the same manner when your MEC nudged the company to pursue 70 seat rates? That was a pretty low move to undercut the ASA guys.
How can our MEC go on a Section 6 without the XJT MEC? Ever heard of that little document called a Transition and Process Agreement? It doesn't allow it unless all parties agree. I think it would be a foolish move to abandon it and I have a hard time believing either MEC would agree to it. However, I do know that your MEC tried asked several times to get out during their underhanded attempt to screw the ASA guys with their "arbitrated" 70 seat rates. So who's trying to screw who here?
Originally Posted by Nevets
Honestly, I think you guys should just pull the trigger and approach management with stand alone section 6 negotiations and take the concessions your side is willing to screw the rest of us with and call it a day already.
You mean like in the same manner when your MEC nudged the company to pursue 70 seat rates? That was a pretty low move to undercut the ASA guys.
How can our MEC go on a Section 6 without the XJT MEC? Ever heard of that little document called a Transition and Process Agreement? It doesn't allow it unless all parties agree. I think it would be a foolish move to abandon it and I have a hard time believing either MEC would agree to it. However, I do know that your MEC tried asked several times to get out during their underhanded attempt to screw the ASA guys with their "arbitrated" 70 seat rates. So who's trying to screw who here?
As for separate negotiations, it's just my view of what Will would like to do, as a member of the ASA MEC negotiating committee, based solely on his behavior/postings here. It's just a rhetorical jab at him. It wasn't meant seriously.
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Originally Posted by cybourg10
That would be a $30 million/year concession for XJT pilots.
Wow! I had no idea it was that big of a difference in contracts. Is this the reason all of the flying is going to Skywest as well? Did I hear correct that XJT lost 50 million last year too?
Originally Posted by cybourg10
That would be a $30 million/year concession for XJT pilots.
Wow! I had no idea it was that big of a difference in contracts. Is this the reason all of the flying is going to Skywest as well? Did I hear correct that XJT lost 50 million last year too?
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06-06-2014 | 08:43 AM
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The United ERJ CPA is a money loser, even SkyWest Airlines would lose money on it. Which is why they are going to do one of three things: wind down the XJT ERJ side as much as UAL will allow, Get UAL to redo the CPA for more money, or bankrupt the XJT side and get their concessions in Ch 11.
06-06-2014 | 10:53 AM
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How about the LASA and LXJT side stop arguing and stay strong like we did during the TA Vote.
CA Tony, since you are on the NC, in your "opinion" is it possible to reach a TA without any side taking concessions?
CA Tony, since you are on the NC, in your "opinion" is it possible to reach a TA without any side taking concessions?
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06-06-2014 | 11:53 AM
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The United ERJ CPA is a money loser, even SkyWest Airlines would lose money on it. Which is why they are going to do one of three things: wind down the XJT ERJ side as much as UAL will allow, Get UAL to redo the CPA for more money, or bankrupt the XJT side and get their concessions in Ch 11.
06-06-2014 | 02:47 PM
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The United ERJ CPA is a money loser, even SkyWest Airlines would lose money on it. Which is why they are going to do one of three things: wind down the XJT ERJ side as much as UAL will allow, Get UAL to redo the CPA for more money, or bankrupt the XJT side and get their concessions in Ch 11.
Two things:
One: SkyWest Inc. had a huge part in the money-losing CPAs you speak of...
Two: SkyWest Inc. cannot declare ExpressJet bankrupt. In order to do that, all of Inc. would have to go bankrupt. You really think they're gonna screw their shareholders over and tank their stock so they can get concessions out of us?
God, this sh*t spewed on here makes my head spin.
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