What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
#8541
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What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
Is TSA's contract average or below average? Because about a month ago you said it was below average. Now you say it's average. So which is it? Does it change by the month depending on what you just arbitrarily deem as being average? I'd like to know what sort of scientific metric you use to measure a regional contract as being average.
Is TSA's contract that was below average at the end of November now average because Envoy's contract isn't as good as it was then? I'm just really curious about this. I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
Is TSA's contract that was below average at the end of November now average because Envoy's contract isn't as good as it was then? I'm just really curious about this. I'm not trying to give you a hard time.
That's a good point about TSA's contract trending towards above average when three others took concessions. But to answer your question, I believed that the TSA contract was below average. But I was "schooled" (all uncorroborated since to this they no one has agree to post their contract but I give them the benefit of the doubt) in a few TSA contract points. So now I believe that they are average. The contract points that I originally thought were below average were MMG for reserves which I thought was 74, DH pay which I thought was 75%, along with the other things that are below average such as sick accrual and not being able to use it for the first year, the percentage of insurance premiums they pay, vacation pay, and then there were information that wasn't available such as min day pay, commuter policy, and uniform allowance. So on balance the TSA contract is average. I've shown this in many ways by posting comparisons of all contracts, total compensation charts, and a head to head comparison with a contract that is above average with TSA's to show that the above average contract has better matching and contributing funds, better sick accrual, better vacation pay, lower insurance cost sharing, an OJI bank, better LTD benefits, better reserve rules, etc. And that's not even comparing it to the better contracts of AWAC or maybe even horizon.
And I showed you a chart that compares total compensation. TSA is 4 out of 9 in 50 seaters. Your assertion isn't true according to the chart.
Last edited by Nevets; 01-15-2015 at 09:16 AM.
#8542
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
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I'm about tired of this PBS drama. Since the MEC's can't solve this, go do some shows with both systems, side by side, at each base. Let us decide already!
#8544
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i'd vote anything in if it just gets me the hell off reserve!!!!!
#8545
Hello all, new guy here. I've searched through the almost 850 pages on this thread and still haven't found what I'm looking for. What I hoped to find was something about XJT's hiring and training process. I see the minimums listed elsewhere, but was curious what guys are actually getting hired with. Are there already posts that cover this information?Thanks in advance.
#8546
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That's a good point about TSA's contract trending towards above average when three others took concessions. But to answer your question, I believed that the TSA contract was below average. But I was "schooled" (all uncorroborated since to this they no one has agree to post their contract but I give them the benefit of the doubt) in a few TSA contract points. So now I believe that they are average. The contract points that I originally thought were below average were MMG for reserves which I thought was 74, DH pay which I thought was 75%, along with the other things that are below average such as sick accrual and not being able to use it for the first year, the percentage of insurance premiums they pay, vacation pay, and then there were information that wasn't available such as min day pay, commuter policy, and uniform allowance. So on balance the TSA contract is average. I've shown this in many ways by posting comparisons of all contracts, total compensation charts, and a head to head comparison with a contract that is above average with TSA's to show that the above average contract has better matching and contributing funds, better sick accrual, better vacation pay, lower insurance cost sharing, an OJI bank, better LTD benefits, better reserve rules, etc. And that's not even comparing it to the better contracts of AWAC or maybe even horizon.
And I showed you a chart that compares total compensation. TSA is 4 out of 9 in 50 seaters. Your assertion isn't true according to the chart.
And I showed you a chart that compares total compensation. TSA is 4 out of 9 in 50 seaters. Your assertion isn't true according to the chart.
#8547
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He's just a regurgitating, argumentative homer. If he would've been hired at ASA instead of continental express he'd be spouting the same BS in defense of the ASA side. He's what you call "effing delusional"
#8548
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I talked with one of my reps today. It was an interesting conversation. He is ASA, as am I. I felt that the tone of the conversation was not that of anger towards one group or the other, but more of anger towards where this whole thing has gone. I expressed my want for us to move forward regardless of it is two different bidding systems or just one (even if it is the XJT's side). I expressed how I felt that the situation as a whole has gone beyond what I would consider normal or professional.
We need to start acting the part of professional aviators, this has become ridiculous. I urge the pilots of both sides to push their respective mecs toward compromise. We are wasting precious time and negotiating capital infighting over stupidity. At the end of the day it is still a regional, we have to do what we can to get small gains and make the future better for those who come behind us. Let's stop this ridiculousness and move on.
I don't think any of you care, but this will be my last post. I'm deleting my account. I don't think anything represented in the regional threads is positive for my life or for my airline. I wish you all the best in your careers. Tailwinds. ~flyingkangaroo
We need to start acting the part of professional aviators, this has become ridiculous. I urge the pilots of both sides to push their respective mecs toward compromise. We are wasting precious time and negotiating capital infighting over stupidity. At the end of the day it is still a regional, we have to do what we can to get small gains and make the future better for those who come behind us. Let's stop this ridiculousness and move on.
I don't think any of you care, but this will be my last post. I'm deleting my account. I don't think anything represented in the regional threads is positive for my life or for my airline. I wish you all the best in your careers. Tailwinds. ~flyingkangaroo
#8549
Now we have to fill out a form if we do not accept the extension for 117! ***? I don't by what the email said either
#8550
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Fun fact every legacy, major, and LCC makes their pilots fill out a form. Its for data collecting...dont say you want to be treated like mainline then complain when the company does the same thing that main line airlines do.
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