L-ASA (ExpressJet CRJ side)
02-07-2018 | 05:15 PM
#1221
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Well, for those on the ERJ concerned about being bumped out of a seat, the layman terms of the agreement is out. Probably the first good news CRJ pilots have had for a while.
Any pay protected CRJ pilot who flows over to the ERJ side will be pay protected on the ERJ side while flying in the right seat as long as they have bid in for left seat. In addition, any FO flowing over to the ERJ side who is senior to the most junior ERJ captain will be pay protected as long as they have a bid in for left seat. Protects those ERJ pilots already in the left seat, pay protects CRJ pilots moving over.
This should make most (but certainly not all), of both sides happy. Going to the right seat of the ERJ for a 60% pay cut was a no-go and would mean pretty much 100% attrition. I think most of us don't mind flying right seat as long as there is some pay protection.
Also, any LASA pilots transitioning to the ERJ side will get retirement pass benefits after one year as long as they meet certain longevity requirements at LASA/XJT.
Finally news that is not negative.
Any pay protected CRJ pilot who flows over to the ERJ side will be pay protected on the ERJ side while flying in the right seat as long as they have bid in for left seat. In addition, any FO flowing over to the ERJ side who is senior to the most junior ERJ captain will be pay protected as long as they have a bid in for left seat. Protects those ERJ pilots already in the left seat, pay protects CRJ pilots moving over.
This should make most (but certainly not all), of both sides happy. Going to the right seat of the ERJ for a 60% pay cut was a no-go and would mean pretty much 100% attrition. I think most of us don't mind flying right seat as long as there is some pay protection.
Also, any LASA pilots transitioning to the ERJ side will get retirement pass benefits after one year as long as they meet certain longevity requirements at LASA/XJT.
Finally news that is not negative.
Also, very good news about the retirement pass travel benefits.
02-07-2018 | 05:42 PM
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I agree. I'm sure I'd be fine in the left seat of an ERJ, but as long as I don't take a 60% pay cut I have no issue flying right seat and learning for a while until the dust settles.
02-07-2018 | 05:54 PM
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Sounds like a VERY fair agreement and I’m glad it’s going down that way. As vacancies open up, I have no issues with a bit of stagnation as long as there is no displacement. I’m still reserving judgment on the CPP integration until something official is announced.
02-07-2018 | 05:57 PM
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The only thing I have heard is that CRJ pilots who flew for our UAL contract out of IAD are NOT getting credit for that time. Personally I think they should have gotten some credit, but oh well. I mean our pilot group is so small now, and that group was always a small percentage of our pilot group to begin with that we would have been talking about very few pilots. So my gut reaction is that anything decided (which we have to get from UAL), will not throw the ERJ pilots in the program under the bus.
02-07-2018 | 08:14 PM
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The best option, in my opinion, is what GW said on the conference call. If the ASA guys are in a separate pool, those with IAD UAL experience will be some of the more senior people. Best option for all parties involved is to have two pools.
02-08-2018 | 04:37 AM
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That's the way I read it. The only additional requirement will be serving 1 year on the UAX side. Gives an incentive to the 20+ year CRJ pilots to stay around.
02-08-2018 | 12:31 PM
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The company seems to be coming to terms with at least two of the three major labor groups for some reason. Very interesting that they would give so much on this one.
02-08-2018 | 02:26 PM
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CRJ pilot exodus has far exceeded expectations, even greater as a percentage of pilots than the ERJ side. I think management- DAL, Inc and UAL- forgot that this is a pilot's market. They are probably now trying to figure out how to meet the DAL contract while simultaneously ramping up for the UAL flying.
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