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Old 01-21-2023, 08:03 AM
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Well let's talk about last night's update. Our NC asked us to stand by and wait for further clarification.

While our NC has shown their frustration in the past, last nights update is a new level of concern and frustration. I look forward to the next update after they learn what they learn. I can only speculate, but I think they are finally in a position and state of readiness to go to the next level if given the chance.


I for one think our position has been too reasonable and with the pattern bargaining all ready done, our ask can only go up, way up, and still be looked at as reasonable.


I plan to enjoy the games this weekend and I look forward to the next email. Hopefully we will be gaining support for our next level of engagement.
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Old 01-21-2023, 10:50 AM
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Apparently we have had some leave according to a new hire I worked with last week.

Why would you stay here knowing the company isnít going to compensate you for the type of flying we do when you can currently go to Delta and in less than a year be a 767300ER Captain with one of the best QOL reserve systems thatís not going to slowly kill you?

Go on, scream on the top of your lungs as you have been programmed, ďbut but they have PBS!!!!Ē

Are you aware that the Delta 767-300 pay scale is the same as their 757 pay scales? The upgrade to that equipment is basically their high end narrow body pay scale.

I just wanted to highlight this because it seems many folks assume new hires there are immediately upgrading into WB aircraft and while the 767-300 is a wide-body airplane it is not treated as such in Deltaís pay rates. Only the 767-400 is which is considered a different fleet at Delta.

I realize that the new TA rates are way higher than our WB rates currently but they are not deltaís true WB rates.

The most Junior pilot awarded a true widebody, pay scale wise at Delta ( 330,767-400,350) is a 1999 hire. This is second hand knowledge so please correct me if I am wrong but some food for thought.
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Old 01-21-2023, 12:35 PM
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3576321[/url]]Are you aware that the Delta 767-300 pay scale is the same as their 757 pay scales? The upgrade to that equipment is basically their high end narrow body pay scale.

I just wanted to highlight this because it seems many folks assume new hires there are immediately upgrading into WB aircraft and while the 767-300 is a wide-body airplane it is not treated as such in Deltaís pay rates. Only the 767-400 is which is considered a different fleet at Delta.

I realize that the new TA rates are way higher than our WB rates currently but they are not deltaís true WB rates.

The most Junior pilot awarded a true widebody, pay scale wise at Delta ( 330,767-400,350) is a 1999 hire. This is second hand knowledge so please correct me if I am wrong but some food for thought.
It still pays $13 more an hour than a WB CA at FedEx. And $130 per hour more than a WB FO.
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Old 01-21-2023, 01:09 PM
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It still pays $13 more an hour than a WB CA at FedEx. And $130 per hour more than a WB FO.

I understand that, and thatís great but you are comparing rates of a TA to our expired contract rates. I would hope our WB scale exceeds theirs and our narrow body exceed their 757/767-300 scale. Anything other than that would be a resounding no for most here I would imagine. Maybe not who knows.

Im just pointing out that many are under the assumption that new hire Delta pilots are upgrading straight to WB aircraft and thatís not necessarily the full picture when you look at the pay rates associated with each aircraft there.
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Old 01-21-2023, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by windshearmaxthr View Post
I understand that, and thatís great but you are comparing rates of a TA to our expired contract rates. I would hope our WB scale exceeds theirs and our narrow body exceed their 757/767-300 scale. Anything other than that would be a resounding no for most here I would imagine. Maybe not who knows.

Im just pointing out that many are under the assumption that new hire Delta pilots are upgrading straight to WB aircraft and thatís not necessarily the full picture when you look at the pay rates associated with each aircraft there.

Career progression at the majors versus an upcoming excess bid at FedEx. Thatís the important issue. Not the current discussion about a few pennies difference in pay rates.
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Old 01-21-2023, 01:24 PM
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Career progression at the majors versus an upcoming excess bid at FedEx. Thatís the important issue. Not the current discussion about a few pennies difference in pay rates.

If people that are really junior wanna leave to chase an upgrade that may or may not exist by the time they get on property go for it. Seems like a roll of the dice to me if you have been here for more than a few years.

Wasnít that the argument to come to FedEx back in 2020?

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Old 01-21-2023, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by windshearmaxthr View Post
If people that are really junior wanna leave to chase an upgrade that may or may not exist by the time they get on property go for it. Seems like a roll of the dice to me if you have been here for more than a few years.

Wasnít that the argument to come to FedEx back in 2020?
Yes but unfortunately for FedEx global pandemics are a rare occurrence.
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Old 01-21-2023, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by windshearmaxthr View Post
If people that are really junior wanna leave to chase an upgrade that may or may not exist by the time they get on property go for it. Seems like a roll of the dice to me if you have been here for more than a few years.

Wasnít that the argument to come to FedEx back in 2020?
Exactly. You need to have a VERY good reason with hard known facts to change airlines. This time next year we may be hiring and they may be furloughing. If you left now you'd be trying to get a job at a regional while you're furloughed when you would've been a Captain at FedEx with a new TA. I was worried about 4a2c in early March of 2020 and then I spent every day on Reserve getting used thanks to Covid. All of the sudden there was unlimited flying and money to be made.

Everyone needs to just relax and enjoy their lives. This too shall pass.
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Old 01-21-2023, 01:51 PM
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Yes but unfortunately for FedEx global pandemics are a rare occurrence.
Not the only example of growth at FedEx.
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Old 01-21-2023, 04:23 PM
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Got your apps out?
What at ignorant response.
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