Hiring / training
02-04-2022, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan
Were all the sick calls at ORD? We’re the majority of the sick calls from ORD? The pilots at ORD took the blunt force of the closure. Sure, it affects every pilot in some way. I just don’t think management is sticking it to a guy who lives in TPA or MCO. Anyways, I’m not sure your getting what I’m saying.
02-04-2022, 10:14 PM
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02-05-2022, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by el_duderino
On the subject of the thread - interview 2/3, 10 of 11 applicants offered jobs with potential class date of 2/28, next class is 4/3 goal is 40 per class. Interview groups of over 20 next week.
02-05-2022, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by el_duderino
On the subject of the thread - interview 2/3, 10 of 11 applicants offered jobs with potential class date of 2/28, next class is 4/3 goal is 40 per class. Interview groups of over 20 next week.
If the current hiring at AA,DL,UA,FX, and WN keep going (as they all say they will) between now an June, I suspect way more than 90 will leave before June. (as well as difficulty actually getting 40 in each of the next two classes)
Not sure if 40/month represents the max training capacity, but the math on this does not look good if it is.
02-05-2022, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by TurboFanMan
I really do appreciate any and all info. Whole thing is just frustrating.
02-05-2022, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
So Jan 31st class was 10. The goal for the next two is 40. If you start in the 4/3 class you will likely get out to the line in June sometime. So that means that the three classes Jan 31, Feb 28 and Apr 3 will get 90 people out on the line (at the most) by sometime in June.
If the current hiring at AA,DL,UA,FX, and WN keep going (as they all say they will) between now an June, I suspect way more than 90 will leave before June. (as well as difficulty actually getting 40 in each of the next two classes)
Not sure if 40/month represents the max training capacity, but the math on this does not look good if it is.
If the current hiring at AA,DL,UA,FX, and WN keep going (as they all say they will) between now an June, I suspect way more than 90 will leave before June. (as well as difficulty actually getting 40 in each of the next two classes)
Not sure if 40/month represents the max training capacity, but the math on this does not look good if it is.
The real issue at bay is that there’s NO WAY to predict attrition. I can imagine ALL other airlines are looking at resumes and setting those aside that show a LCC as the CURRENT job. They offer them right away. Every one of our losses causes a two fold detriment in both training cost and replacement cost. It’s even worse for every CA as now we have to hire two FOs and upgrade another.
UA, DL and AA not only get a new pilot but they get one already through school (trained) and take away from us. It doesn’t reduce their training costs but it helps them provide better/more proven pilots.
The issue is MUCH worse than I think most realize. We could interview 100 offer 50, train 40 and still shrink due to attrition. Buffoonery from above is the main problem…
02-05-2022, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
This has been my point all along.
The real issue at bay is that there’s NO WAY to predict attrition. I can imagine ALL other airlines are looking at resumes and setting those aside that show a LCC as the CURRENT job. They offer them right away. Every one of our losses causes a two fold detriment in both training cost and replacement cost. It’s even worse for every CA as now we have to hire two FOs and upgrade another.
UA, DL and AA not only get a new pilot but they get one already through school (trained) and take away from us. It doesn’t reduce their training costs but it helps them provide better/more proven pilots.
The issue is MUCH worse than I think most realize. We could interview 100 offer 50, train 40 and still shrink due to attrition. Buffoonery from above is the main problem…
The real issue at bay is that there’s NO WAY to predict attrition. I can imagine ALL other airlines are looking at resumes and setting those aside that show a LCC as the CURRENT job. They offer them right away. Every one of our losses causes a two fold detriment in both training cost and replacement cost. It’s even worse for every CA as now we have to hire two FOs and upgrade another.
UA, DL and AA not only get a new pilot but they get one already through school (trained) and take away from us. It doesn’t reduce their training costs but it helps them provide better/more proven pilots.
The issue is MUCH worse than I think most realize. We could interview 100 offer 50, train 40 and still shrink due to attrition. Buffoonery from above is the main problem…
Were you in aviation after 911 or the last downturn? Serious question because that was much worse. If f9 goes away (not likely with the amount of $ on the line) you’ll have a job almost immediately. Assuming no black swan event and if that happens you’ll be better off at f9 with a bit of seniority.
02-05-2022, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
Were you in aviation after 911 or the last downturn? Serious question because that was much worse. If f9 goes away (not likely with the amount of $ on the line) you’ll have a job almost immediately. Assuming no black swan event and if that happens you’ll be better off at f9 with a bit of seniority.
Hard to tell from a financial standpoint as it’s hard to predict where I go, ave credit / month, when I can upgrade, what base, etc. The real question is whether I’ll be treated with more consideration.
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