How long for a contract?
05-31-2025 | 09:55 PM
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06-01-2025 | 06:38 AM
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Things will have to change. Yah I think the current versions of ULCC’s are dead and I think everyone working for them should be excited for what the future holds.
06-01-2025 | 06:41 AM
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these are multi billion dollar companies. they take a long time to change.
06-01-2025 | 06:47 AM
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also do you want to respond on what dough said? Do you think he is an idiot and goes on a public platform and makes ******* up? No, of course not. I think he has a way better understanding of the situation then you or I do bickering on some Internet forum.
these are multi billion dollar companies. they take a long time to change.
these are multi billion dollar companies. they take a long time to change.
the ULCC can be dead while at the same time have a high probability of spirit and frontier merging. Then the combined business can pivot towards a different model and they might just have the scale to make a difference.
06-01-2025 | 07:08 AM
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Kirby has a history with both franke and biffle. It’s obvious they bruised his little ego at some point. He just cannot seem to stop himself from talking about and trying to hurt little ole insignificant f9
06-01-2025 | 07:22 AM
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do you not think our business model will evolve? The frontier of today will not exist years from now. You cannot just change the ship immediately.
Things will have to change. Yah I think the current versions of ULCC’s are dead and I think everyone working for them should be excited for what the future holds.
Things will have to change. Yah I think the current versions of ULCC’s are dead and I think everyone working for them should be excited for what the future holds.
also do you want to respond on what dough said? Do you think he is an idiot and goes on a public platform and makes ******* up? No, of course not. I think he has a way better understanding of the situation then you or I do bickering on some Internet forum.
these are multi billion dollar companies. they take a long time to change.
these are multi billion dollar companies. they take a long time to change.
lina, as much as I think you and I are soulmates from a different ULCC, I agree with redhot. Kirby and Doug are both right, but Kirby is definitely speaking from a more biased standpoint. Didn’t Doug fire Kirby a while ago? David neelman seems to have a pretty good understanding of how this stuff goes too.
the ULCC can be dead while at the same time have a high probability of spirit and frontier merging. Then the combined business can pivot towards a different model and they might just have the scale to make a difference.
the ULCC can be dead while at the same time have a high probability of spirit and frontier merging. Then the combined business can pivot towards a different model and they might just have the scale to make a difference.
Did Scott Munoz get it all right at United? Is Isom getting it done at AA? It’s a different world post covid. These CEOs have missed the mark at times.
Last thing I’ll say is F9 has a lot more money to lose before I start to doubt our existence. Compared to NK and JB anyway we look like the Dave Ramsey approach to running an airline. “Beans and rice, rice and beans”. But, we’re also a flee on a horse’s ass. A catastrophic mistake could really sink us. (Interpret that as you will).
Either way. We can’t keep losing money quarterly, and then have our CEO announce the results in an airplane bathroom. yippee ki yay
06-01-2025 | 07:35 AM
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06-01-2025 | 11:51 AM
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What a coinkydink.
This was posted in the United forum. Kirby’s latest opinion:
WSJ: "What about the budget airline model?"
Kirby: "It's dead. Its a "crappy model". The model was "screw the customer". The gimmick was to trick people with low fares, get them to come and then surprise them with a bunch of fees they aren't expecting. Their problem is they got big enough that they needed repeat customers, and they don't get them."
But Doug says consolidation. Like I said. Which CEO is more right?
This was posted in the United forum. Kirby’s latest opinion:
WSJ: "What about the budget airline model?"
Kirby: "It's dead. Its a "crappy model". The model was "screw the customer". The gimmick was to trick people with low fares, get them to come and then surprise them with a bunch of fees they aren't expecting. Their problem is they got big enough that they needed repeat customers, and they don't get them."
But Doug says consolidation. Like I said. Which CEO is more right?
06-01-2025 | 03:38 PM
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What a coinkydink.
This was posted in the United forum. Kirby’s latest opinion:
WSJ: "What about the budget airline model?"
Kirby: "It's dead. Its a "crappy model". The model was "screw the customer". The gimmick was to trick people with low fares, get them to come and then surprise them with a bunch of fees they aren't expecting. Their problem is they got big enough that they needed repeat customers, and they don't get them."
But Doug says consolidation. Like I said. Which CEO is more right?
This was posted in the United forum. Kirby’s latest opinion:
WSJ: "What about the budget airline model?"
Kirby: "It's dead. Its a "crappy model". The model was "screw the customer". The gimmick was to trick people with low fares, get them to come and then surprise them with a bunch of fees they aren't expecting. Their problem is they got big enough that they needed repeat customers, and they don't get them."
But Doug says consolidation. Like I said. Which CEO is more right?
Traditional ULCC is dead. New ULCC needs to emerge (be invented). Consolidation is a way of doing so.
06-01-2025 | 06:17 PM
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His tampon got wadded up with he was not crowned CEO of AA.
Kirby likes to mother-F all the other legacies, and of course the ULCCs. For Kirby, the only airline that does well is United.
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